My primary focus this morning is going to be on what’s currently transpiring in the UK with regards to the vehicles found filled with explosives in London and the recent incident in Scotland in which a vehicle in flames was driven into the airport in Glasgow.

But before I get to that I wanted to address something quickly to do with the streaming of the new record.

This morning Tony asked me if knew that the record is already on the torrent sites? To which I responded - it’s kind of a bummer when something nice gets turned into something not so nice. He also said that by saying anything I would come across as a ‘whiner’, because it’s a no win situation and that’s automatically what people will think.

Obviously, Dale and I are not fools, and knew that the stream would be ripped and floated out onto the net. The steam is transcoded, which means that even if ripped, the quality will be severely reduced. Now, this isn’t going to stop people from ripping it and swapping it, and it may even stop people from actually purchasing the record when it’s released, and it’s that particular aspect that I want to address.

As many of you know, I am an advocate of the web and web freedoms. When bands release albums prior to their release to be streamed, as Wilco has done in the past, I find it both brave and exciting. Of course, it doesn’t deter me from actually purchasing the release when it comes out because I want to ensure that Wilco sells enough records to allow them to keep making more. It’s here that I find that a very bizarre double standard comes into play.

These days, many fans often complain when they’re not treated to special perks by artists, be it the release of a few tracks from an upcoming album, b-sides, or what have you – especially artists that are very proactive online. Yet, ironically, the very same people often take advantage of the fact that artists, who are excited about their work and want to do something special for their fans, have no qualms betraying their trust and even go so far as defending their right to do so.

The truth is, to me, such individuals are not fans, but simply opportunists.

It takes a great deal of work to make an album, no matter what most people might think. On top of that, the creative energies put into producing art by artists that write and perform their own material is also considerable. I wanted to share this album in the form of a stream because I am excited about it and wanted to allow others to enjoy that same excitement. Ultimately, I can’t control what others decide to do with it, and fully realize that some will take advantage of the fact that it has been streamed prior to its actual release and thus find ways to rip it and put it on the web to be downloaded. I also realize that in some ways that can be a positive thing, as it gets new material out there and allows others to experience it. I suppose the point of this entry is to remind people that if you admire an artists work, just keep in mind that you might be contributing to the inability to continue producing high quality recordings by endangering sales – and I am by no means imply a decrease in ‘massive’ sales. None of my past three releases has reached the platinum status, most barely creeping over the gold mark, which in Canada is 50,000 records. Truth be told, I have been in debt due to recording costs with regards to my label, etc, since the late 1990’s, and do not actually make money from record sales as they simply go towards paying that debt down. The days of Beautiful Midnight are gone, and that is something that I am well aware of. That said, I want to continue making records, and have the ability to do so, until someone pries my guitar from my dead fingers, so your help in making that a reality would be most appreciated.

Best to everyone, and please do enjoy the new material.

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    that puts things nicely into perspective.

    06 / 30 / 12:17
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    I will be purchasing this album without a doubt. Probably more than one, since there are a two of us in my house who listen to your music obsessively. I also encourage my friends to buy your albums, and many do. As long as you make music, I shall buy your albums, no matter the cost (well, within limits obviously). Your music is the best there is, and I being a musician as well understand completely the creative energies that go into writing a song and recording it. Keep on Rocking Matt.

    06 / 30 / 12:18
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    truth be told i actually have two copies of beautiful midnight (yet i still dont have the black ep)
    i feel there is nothing wrong with downloading an album to see if it is a decent album to go out and purchase… there is nothing worst then getting a cd and finding out that you only like 2 songs on the album, but when i find a album i like i support the huge efforts that go into makeing that album and purchase it. plus i am a fan of reading what they have to say in the liner notes, the thank yous, the credits, etc.
    so dont worry matt you will get my 14.99 on july 31th.

    06 / 30 / 12:22
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    hey matt im listening to your album on my break at work(music store), it’s amazing by the way, i’m digging the new sound and come july 31st i’m gonna push this puppy, not that it needs it or anything.

    my b-day was a day before yours so thisa sneak peak just made my day, cheers buddy

    06 / 30 / 12:27
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    I am so with you myfavdj. I cant even count the number of times I have spent my money on a CD only to find I like one song. Which is why I LOVE itunes. the greatest music store EVER! Letting us hear it streamed was a wonderful thing to do, and I second myfavdj when i say the DAY the album comes out, I am so at itunes with my credit card! :)

    06 / 30 / 12:28
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    I’ll be buying it from the USA iTunes store and also ordering a hard copy from Canada. I like to collect when I’m a fan of something/someone.

    06 / 30 / 12:31
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    well i have some friend that happen to be in a local band and they always tell me how much work it is to make and album and get it out to the masses, so i completely understand what you go thru to make the album, and considering i have been a fan for the greater part of 12 years or so it really is the least i can do. and heck if by me purchasing your album will insure that there will be another album, then heck point me to the local music store

    06 / 30 / 12:37
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    I can safely say I will be purchasing Hospital Music maybe even two, one for a backup. I also agree with myfavdj.

    06 / 30 / 12:39
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    Does anyone know if there’s somewhere I can pre-order a copy of the actual CD other than amazon.ca? They never seem to process my orders for some reason, even when I e-mail them about it they say the order is processed but it isn’t and I never get charged/never get the thing I order. Maple Music doesn’t have it listed yet… I can always wait to order until it is released but I prefer pre-orders so I can get it sooner. (I’m in California.)

    06 / 30 / 12:47
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    It’s simply pathetic that people would do that when it’s so affordable and simple to purchase it on iTunes. As a music fanatic, it’s really disheartening because it injures the artist. The artist that we are suppose to support and honour.

    What a bloody shame Matt. I for one would either purchase the tangible CD or purchase the file off iTunes, and I know my friends feel strongly about that fact as well. Music is a vital part of the arts community obviously. It’s also one of the few arts that everyone can relate to. Sometimes visual art is not as easily assimulated/appreciated/understood. I’ve read Jeanette Winterson’s “Art Objects” several times and so appreciate the various perspectives on art. Music is just so precious in this empty world. Stand up for it folks. As Albert Schwitzer said, “there are two means of refuge from the misery of life - music and cats.” For you Matt, it would be music and furry little dogs. God bless you for your integrity. You’re a gem.
    Stephanie, North Vancouver

    06 / 30 / 12:49
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    Already got a copy pre-ordered. I usually buy 2. One to listen to, and one for sentimental value.

    06 / 30 / 13:00
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    i have to be honest. i don’t buy too many cds anymore, because the net has made it too convienient to get what i like. And as much as we’d like to admit it, almost all of us at some point or another have downloaded music, movies, etc instead of buying. However Being a fan of matt good since..well forever i do have almost all of the matthew good, and matthew good band’s albums, singles and rareities. (i can’t get my hand on an original Lo-Fi B-sides without dropping over $150 ). I even purchase Annabelle from iTunes, so i could A), have another song by matthew good , and B)to support Amnisty Canada. This is not to brag or anything like that (there are some of you out there who are way bigger of fans) But I too will buy 2 maybe 3 of hospital music depending on how much i play the album. (i like to keep one in the wrap never opened), this is only because this is where my loyalties lie , and its true the album is out on torrents, but out of respect to the artist, I have ignored the temptation to download, and i say boycott the urge to download Hospital music (at least until you purchased the album). Think of it this way, if you ever want to hear it before the release you can just stream it, get your fill, then move on. Lets Do our part in keeping the ability for Matt to continue making albums and singles for a long time. i am NOT naive, i know i am just a cog in this online community, but having the freedom to express myself without fear of ridicution is key. This has just been my 2 cents.

    06 / 30 / 13:03
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    Well put. Hopefully your honesty will inspire some more integrity in the world of online music sharing.

    What was nice about you guys posting the preview tracks (and the radio interview) was that by the time you streamed the album half of the songs already felt like old friends. As luck would have it I go on vacation to the States two days before the album is released. For sure I will buy the CD as soon as I get home, and I might even buy a track or two in US iTunes if I can’t wait!

    06 / 30 / 13:07
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    I’m guilty myself of saving the stream to my computer and burning it to CD the second it was available.

    I recently did the same thing with Spoon’s new album.

    Lately I’m of the opinion that once an artist releases an album online, it’s “out” and I can go ahead and enjoy it. Yet I have my own peace of mind because I know I’m going to buy multiple copies of your album, as well as spread the word about it. (and should add that I pre-ordered Spoon’s album well before I could download it as well)

    It’s a shame that this may result in people listening to it without paying for it, but would those people have bought it anyway?

    06 / 30 / 13:08
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    I totally agree Matt. I’m one of those people that doesn’t even download individual songs really. I’ll be buying the album the day it comes out, of that you can be sure.

    06 / 30 / 13:14
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    I’ll probably buy the iTunes version AND the physical copy, because I’m well aware of how artists - especially in Canada - are slaves to the record companies, often in debt and surviving solely on the basis of touring/merch sales. And so I don’t mind contributing to Matt in whatever way I can, because I know that doing so keeps him able to produce beautiful (and beautiful-SOUNDING) records.

    Little-known fact: until her stupid Newlyweds reality show hit the air, Jessica Simpson was in debt to her record company to the tune of $2.3 million, thanks to a couple of poor-selling discs. The appearance of riches and fame can be misleading.

    06 / 30 / 13:16
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    I, like myfavdj, have two different versions of Beautiful Midnight, and have done my best over the years to accumulate the deluxe or limited editions of everything. I’m one of those people stuck without the original Lo-Fi B-sides, and was glad to see it come out on In A Coma (although I did manage to save my Molson Canadian Rocks sampler that had ‘Fated’ on it). But I find collecting these things part of the fun of the music aside from the enjoyment from the music itself. Like when as a kid I used to go to all the card shops in town picking up packs of the newest Fleer or Donruss baseball cards and picking up the newest rookies, along with my favourite home-team heroes, the same thing applies now to music. The internet is very opportunistic, but there’s no real value in possessing a torrented copy of an album.

    I will be very much looking forward to buying the new album, even moreso after hearing it and wanting to be able to skip back and listen to certain tracks again, and hope that there may be plans in the works for a Limited Edition or perhaps signed copy as was done with In A Coma.

    06 / 30 / 13:29
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    That needed to be said Matt. I will buy Hospital Music when it comes out, as I have planned to all along. I’ve heard it only the stream once, and think it sounds fantastic. Great melodies, songwriting, solid musicianship, very passionate.

    06 / 30 / 13:29
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    I have to admit that I’ve received burned copies of CDs of other artists - but thats only inspired me to purchase more CDs and more importantly buy tickets to their shows and spread the word about how great the music is to others ( luckily I’m considered to have good musical taste by my friends ;-)

    I can appreciate the work that goes into the making of a CD so I would never by principle want to take that away from the artist - and I’m a little bit old school in that I love holding a copy of the CD in my hot little hands.

    The only problem I have with iTunes is that, as a Canadian and living in the UK, I can’t log in and purchase good Canadian music. All Canadian music must be on iTunes UK - and spelled correctly ;-)

    06 / 30 / 13:29
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    Aw dude, I love the new album and you bet I’ll be there first day it’s out, like I always have been, to pay some faceless corporation for your brand new CD. Last night I laid in bed, headphones on, and I listened to your new stuff for many hours.

    I cannot wait to unwrap the new cd and pop it into my cd player and BLAST IT.

    Peace and Love.

    06 / 30 / 13:43
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    The vast majority of people that are regulars to this site and that will read this entry are not the ones who refuse to buy the album on the basis that there is a free download of it floating around on the internet. It’s the casual listeners or returning fans (who I’m sure make up the bulk of Matt’s music sales) that we should be worried about.

    06 / 30 / 14:18
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    I completely agree with myfavdj. And call me old fashioned, but I’ve always loved the giddy anticipation of waiting for a new album, making the pilgrimage to the record store the day it comes out, and putting that cd straight into my cd player/car/diskman to be played on repeat for at least a couple of weeks, until I know every song by heart.

    06 / 30 / 14:46
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    Matt, I think most people have a big misconception about how the music business works and I am in no way claiming to know a 1/10th of your knowledge.

    What I do know is that “getting signed” doesn’t mean that you are cut a check and given a tour bus. There is simply no free lunch. It seems more that “getting signed” means that you are given a loan more or less to get your music out there and get help with tour dates. The label takes nearly 85% of the album sales and then asks for your 15% to pay off the loan.

    So that leaves merchandise, which in itself is a logistical and financial nightmare. You get a percentage of the sales, but then as always, the house wins again. The house always wins.

    The band, Fuel for instance stayed in debt long after their second album and Bret couldn’t buy a home until the 3rd (his final fuel album). According to an interview at least.

    Not everyone gets to be Dylan, Aerosmith or the Rolling Stones. Most are like you it seems. You do it for the love and their is simply no higher calling in your life than to communicate and educate using music and your natural talents.

    For that, many of us have made misconceptions and painted targets on your chest to take aim at without taking the time to really learn what you are about. Sorry, some of us suck.

    Sorry if this came off as rambling bullshit. Thanks for letting us preview the album. I will also being taking 2 rounds.

    Sláinte!

    06 / 30 / 14:50
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    The point is of course a good one. People should buy the music they love, because it is the only thing that can really assure another record coming out. That said you may argue that some of the people who download the album would never buy it in the first place. On the other hand there are people who get in touch with music through the internet, and start buying records because of that. I am guilty of that myself, having gotten in touch with Matthew Good through an internet forum, and then downloading Avalanche. Now I own 4 CD’s and intend to buy the remaining ones. I am a “poor” student now, so my CD budget is not as big as I would like it to be, but I try to keep up with the stuff I download.

    That said of course downloading is still stealing, and supporting musicians is important. There will always be opportunists, but we can’t let them ruin music.

    06 / 30 / 14:53
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    You are SOO right Matt. A true fan would never do that. I too have burnt cd’s, but I would rather go and buy yours to add to my collection of all your cd’s you’ve put out! I would rather support the my favorite artist rather then stealing it.

    06 / 30 / 15:32
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    I have all the MGB and MG albums most of them I purchased multiple times… with the exception of Lo-fi B-sides Black and loser anthem Blue and several orange which I own and cant get multiples of (I’m Bragging I know)…

    however, That being said I have certainly binged on downloading Mp3’s on the net in the Mid 90’s when I saw the opportunity and I ignorantly thought it was harmless… then all of a sudden I went back to purchasing CD’s and the reason I did is in fact that I like owning the real Cd and supporting my favorite artists, call me a victim of Maturity, but the sad fact is simply that downloading is now the cancer hurting the core of our culture if you dig deeper in this subject… And like Cancer it will never go away…

    I think major steps have been taken since the DL era began with I-tunes, and making Cd’s more affordable but we have a lot of work to do to protect our Artists in Canada… especially the ones we admire, I wouldn’t want Matt to have to write Jungles for commercials to make ends meet … that would suck.

    But they would be great fucking jingles!!!!

    06 / 30 / 15:39
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    I’ll be buying.

    06 / 30 / 16:08
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    listen asshole. first off, i spent years of my childhood in glasgow, scotland and for you to make these sympathetic comments from the comfort of your lazyboy in las vegas while some hooker sucks you off pisses me off more than most of the other shit you’ve done in the past.

    have you even set foot in scotland? didn’t think so.

    secondly, are you pissed that my friends and i recorded your album, chopped it up, balanced it better than anyone you’ve ever worked with and plan to sell burned copies on rideau street on canada day for $1? if so, fantastic.

    btw how’s the weather there, cheesedick?

    06 / 30 / 16:11
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    and incase that post wasn’t clear enough, I WONT BE BUYING IT AND ILL BE ENCOURAGING EVERYONE I KNOW NOT TO EITHER

    IF IT COMES TO IT I MAY GIVE COPIES AWAY FOR FREE AT A LOSS TO ENSURE YOU NEVERR HIT PLATINUM AGAIN

    06 / 30 / 16:13
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    well shit now I’m gonna buy 2 copies of the new disc

    06 / 30 / 16:22
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    90,000 people on rideau.

    won’t make a fucking difference how many YOU buy.

    06 / 30 / 16:23
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    It’s a real two-edged sword here. I want to see artists like Matt continue to make great music and make a good living from doing so.

    So you kind of worry that P2P will damage his ability to do so.

    On the other hand I am an accidental fan. I bought Beautiful Midnight in a music store thinking I was getting another artists work (Matthew Sweet). Couldn’t quite remember the name at the time.

    Anyway, I was blown away and wanted to hear more. Being in Australia, MBG wasn’t a big act (in retrospect I can’t believe I got a copy of BM).

    So I went to Napster. Found the other albums. Loved them. And bought them all off Amazon.

    Cut to present day I just ordered for copies of Hospital Music off Amazon (got some friends into Matt).

    None of this would have happened without P2P. It gives artists reach outside the marketing machine of the labels.

    06 / 30 / 16:24
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    catastrophe is just some script kiddie. Ignorant people like him think they’re computer saavy, when in fact they’re only one step above incompetent. And “balanced better than anyone you’ve ever worked with”? What a joke. I doubt you actually know anything substantial about ripping music which is why you come across as so completely insecure in your post.

    It’s not clear why you’re so excited about Matt’s new album, but it is clear that you’re a sad, sad person. Enjoy your unhappiness.

    Oh, and of course, I’ll be buying the album and attending a show or two.

    -Max

    06 / 30 / 16:27
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    born loser? YES

    06 / 30 / 16:31
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    I would like to donkey punch catastrophe.

    06 / 30 / 16:31
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    Quoting catastrophe:

    and incase that post wasn’t clear enough, I WONT BE BUYING IT AND ILL BE ENCOURAGING EVERYONE I KNOW NOT TO EITHER

    IF IT COMES TO IT I MAY GIVE COPIES AWAY FOR FREE AT A LOSS TO ENSURE YOU NEVERR HIT PLATINUM AGAIN

    Wow. People still pay money for pirated material? Has no one on Rideau street heard of P2P? Not to mention, Matt hasn’t hit platinum in a while - making original / interesting music has a tendency to put the clamps on astronomical sales figures.

    Also, spelling and grammar are your friends.

    06 / 30 / 16:32
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    catastrophe, if you are for real, I’ll be on Rideau St tomorrow and I’ll be looking for you.

    06 / 30 / 16:38
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    Also (and I really have to stop double posting - sorry) as far as P2P goes. I wouldn’t worry about it too much. It’s hard to determine whether those who download it won’t buy the CD (studies concerning this are usually pretty mixed) and its quite likely that those who did download it are doing it mostly to just have a copy to listen to offline. Matt Good fans strike me as a loyal bunch. I thought about doing the same thing but realized I like listening to the whole album end to end. And I’ve got my preorder burning a hole in my pocket.

    That said, I think the days of paying for each piece of music you listen to are gone. Another way of providing financial support to artists (perhaps like the EFFs collective copyright idea - http://www.eff.org) would be a good way to go. It’s simply unreasonable to expect people to pay to fill their 80 gig iPods (at a dollar a song, the end price is crazy).

    I think most people who do fileshare (which in my opinion is quite different from Piracy) do it honestly.

    Also, and I doubt you’ll do this, but perhaps to help out with your recording debt you could solicit donations. It may help a little and I know most of us would be more than willing to send you money knowing all of it was going to you and simply a small portion.

    And thanks for embracing this whole crazy internet thing. It’s much appreciated.

    06 / 30 / 16:44
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    Thanks for the insight. Guess we know one person that ripped it.

    06 / 30 / 16:44
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    I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that if not for napster and p2p in general I wouldn’t be here today and planning on purchasing the new cd, traveling 100’s of miles to attend shows or purchasing other merchandise, while telling every single person that I come in contact with about MG’s music. so all in the p2p world isn’t all bad. Although I’m curious why if something is so fundamentally important to someones being to the fiber of there soul that and seemingly not being interested in mainstream airplay/sales. That poor album sales, whether being from pirating or just popular disinterest would hinder one from producing, writing, recording more work.

    06 / 30 / 16:45
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    I’m buying two copies. Why? Because one is not enough.

    06 / 30 / 16:55
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    If I like what an artist is trying to do with their music, I buy the CD. If I don’t end up liking the CD, I give it to someone who does, and I know I have contributed in a tiny way to giving that artist a chance to make another. In some cases I’ve bought multiple releases by the same artist that I’m still rooting for. I don’t regret buying a single one, because all of them are made by people that deserve to continue to distribute their music.

    I can understand being more selective if you can’t afford it.

    06 / 30 / 16:57
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    The link to the thread posted above is now dead, the thread has been removed because its author posted his user name and login information for this website in it as well as a yousendit link to a ripped song.

    The name of the person in question is Scot McCormack who is also a musician. You can check out his stuff at the following link…

    click here. The name of the song is the name of an old Matthew Good song that was never recorded. Pretty ironic.

    -Tony

    06 / 30 / 16:57
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    Yes! Wolfrider! I am very much with you on the EFF. I’ve even donated and I encourage others to do so as well. If I could reach through the internet and hand Mr. Good, and every person that assisted him in recording the album, the money for his album, I would. For now though, I’ll settle for the imperfect iTunes solution.

    I’m very happy and appreciative that Mr. Good put his album streaming on his site. Even better that he did it as an atomic set. Listening to the album in order gives one an appreciation for the album as a work of art and in my estimation, this album is better than every previous album he has been involved with. I’ve never felt that way before about any of his albums despite them all being quality productions. I just wish A Single Explosion and Odette weren’t so damn short!

    It’s my hope that the respective income from this album is commensurate with the labor with which it was created! After getting a few good listens in on this website, I know I’ll be getting it.

    06 / 30 / 17:00
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    Quoting 14giants:

    Little-known fact: until her stupid Newlyweds reality show hit the air, Jessica Simpson was in debt to her record company to the tune of $2.3 million, thanks to a couple of poor-selling discs.

    There you go, all you need to do is sell out to TV.

    Quoting catastrophe:

    i spent years of my childhood in glasgow, scotland

    Uhh. OK.

    So IT likes the music, IT listens to the music, but IT hates the artist? Most likely, IT doesn’t even know the artist, which makes the whole “ever set foot” comment all the more ridiculous.

    Anyway, needy children aside, I wanted to say that when Napster first came on the scene, it opened me up to new artists and resulted in more music purchases. As many others have said already, I will be purchasing the album as soon as possible.

    A big Thank You to Matthew Good for sharing the album now. It is absolutely fantastic. But then you probably know that. :)

    06 / 30 / 17:05
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    Hospital Music sounds great Matt…really liking it. Looking forward to purchasing it. Thanks.

    06 / 30 / 17:06
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    Being that I’m a loyal fan to the artists that I love whether being Author, Painter, Musician etc… in this case the artist decides to share with his fans the works that are coming out and has balls enough to put it out there… I feel I should respect that, but i also believe that loaning a CD or Video or DL something before you purchase it is O.K. to a certain extent… however in the case of hospital music it’s intended release date is July 31st and it can be listened to for 1 month whenever we want to…. so ripping it and putting it up for download is ripping off the artist in this case… so it’s a catch 22 at the end of the day.

    And P.S. I like Wilco as much as the next guy… But Matt is up there with the Greats no matter what little attention seeking dipshit says…

    had to get that in…

    06 / 30 / 17:12
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    If only you had copies of the material from your early demos, Matt. I’d pay quite a bit for higher quality remastered versions of those. Released independently I’d say it would help pay the bills and give fans a first-hand insight into your more humble beginnings.

    06 / 30 / 17:18
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    I can’t get enough of this record, Matt, and I can’t wait to get my hands on a nice hard copy and breath in that fresh, compact disc smell.

    06 / 30 / 17:41
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    God that’s horrible. What a loser. He’s trying to sound like Matt, but he just sucks. Then he posts his ranting crybaby crap here.

    06 / 30 / 17:42
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    Well, I’ve placed my order on amazon.ca. :-) Can’t wait to get a physical copy of the album!

    In the meantime, boys and girls, remember to not feed the trolls! ;-)

    I think I will listen to the streaming album again! :)

    06 / 30 / 18:07
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    I would hope that most of those people would still buy Hospital Music when it comes out. And like most people said, I think some people will even buy multiple copies. I had always planned to buy two copies when it came out — one for me and one for my dad, since coincidentally, both of us spent time in a hospital this last year.

    Great show last night Matt. Hope you enjoyed your birthday.

    06 / 30 / 18:23
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    I will be buying the album when it comes out . . . I still prefer to buy the cd as I like to peruse the liner notes and also I don’t like the DRM crap attached to most online music vendors. I also don’t understand why the online version costs almost as much as the physical media when the cost of manufacturing, shipping . .etc has been removed.

    As for the album already making it’s rounds on torrent sites . . .it’s only a matter of time before it was going to be there anyway . . . there are two streams of people . . . those who believe in supporting the artist and purchasing the music realizing that this is their livelihood and those who don’t understand that and feel it is ok to just freely download and distribute the music.

    I think some people think that musicians who have several hits (such as Matt) are millionaires and don’t need the money cos they hit the big time but I’m sure Matt can tell us how it really is. I believe in buying my music and will be buying Hospital Music . . . in fact I will probably be buying more than one copy and handing it out to friends of mine because this is the BEST album I heard in quite a while.

    Matt . . . this album kick’s ASS!!!!! I Love Black Helicopter.

    Can’t wait for the tour!

    06 / 30 / 18:24
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    I think we are all overlooking one very important fact here: the average consumer is NOT a music fan. The average person figures “why pay for something I can get for free online?”. They don’t need the physical copy of the record and aren’t savy enough to notice that the quality isn’t all it can be. People download movies and music, even at poor quality, because they don’t think it’s worth paying $15-$30 for an album they only like a couple of songs on. It’s unfortunate, but sadly, that is the culture we live in.

    The key is to figure out how to ditch the middle man (ie: the record company) and still be able to reach a mass audience. Oops, we already did. It’s called the internet. You and Dale are smart guys, you’ll come up with something.

    The CD is dead. Let’s move on.

    ps: i love albums, and if i could afford to, i’d buy each record twice and the white and grey copies of The Audio of Being and the American copy of Beautiful Midnight etc etc

    06 / 30 / 18:41
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    was that last line of the last para an invitation to grave rob?!?

    06 / 30 / 19:10
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    Well spoken, Matt. It’s always been my belief that if you appreciate a musician, ultimately you’ll support them. This means purchasing the records and/or attending the concerts. Downloading music can be great because it allows you access to music you might not have without an internet connection. But one has to keep in mind that there is effort put into these things, so the artist shouldn’t go unrewarded! I’ll always have the money to spare for the musicians I like - leak or no leak.

    06 / 30 / 19:25
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    I support downloading music if only for the fact that it opens up the market so that you can experience music you would never have experienced before. I would never be a Matthew Good fan today if a friend never convinced me to download a bunch of his songs. Now I own Matt’s entire CD library and a similar story can be told about many other artists… including Matt’s own suggestion of Josh Ritter.

    When Matt announced he’d be streaming Hospital Music there was no question that I could copy the stream and put it to my iPod. Yesterday I ended up listening straight through three times while on the bus and then again while running last night. Today I put it on again while driving to a wedding and nothing beats new Matt Good while driving on a sunny day with the windows down.

    The album is awesome and even if it was far from stellar I would still pick up a copy opening day. Some people will certainly feel I am a part of the problem and am only giving reason for Matt and other artists not to release their music early. I agree and there’s no defense for cutting in line and taking advantage of someone’s generosity. That being said, I still do advocate the exchange of music files because I do believe it generates more fans who are happy to pay for CDs and concert tickets than would be possible otherwise.

    06 / 30 / 19:38
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    well, im just gonna put in my 2 bits.

    i was one of those kids in the beginning downloading music from the p2p sites. at the time, i wasnt listening to the radio enough and i was just starting to figure out the genre of music i liked and what bands i liked listening to. It was there searchin through those p2p sites those years ago(back with the original napster) that i found out i liked Matt Good’s music.

    There was always one issue every time i was downloading hundreds of songs…the inevitability that i’d download a virus that would KO my computer. Every time it happenned, i had to re download the music i wanted, and then get hit with another virus…KO’ing my computer once again. When it happenned twice in one week; i found that buying the cds would actually save me the effort it took to wipe my computer clean, reinstall everything, and download those songs. Also i’d have hard copies of the music incase the possibility of a virus KO’ed my computer again. since then i stopped downloading songs, i now have almost every matt good cd, and many many other little silver circles laying around all over the place in my room.

    now a thought:

    as to why i was stealing the music when i was a kid? it was because i had no money, so at the time buying music was way too expensive for me when i got maybe 5 dollars a week…so with those cds costing 15 to 20 bucks, to me, that was 3-4 weeks to make enough money…providing i had not spent some on food or hotwheels cars….lol

    06 / 30 / 20:00
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    I downloaded the mentioned torrent and put it on my ipod. I will also be buying the album. The audio is about a 5 out of 10, 10 being cd quality.

    You dont get the “classy” artwork and you dont get thank stinky smell of new listening experience when you crack the cello. I would miss those things if all I did was download.

    06 / 30 / 20:53
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    the rip sounds like you are singing underwater LOL. It was ripped at 112kb

    06 / 30 / 20:58
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    I put it on the pod for the gym this evening. Its not the vocals that sound bad, more or less when the music starts in. I think you know what I mean.

    The stream sounds alot better.

    06 / 30 / 21:05
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    As always I’ll be buying the physical CD. Many artists, such as Matt, make great music and share it with the rest of world and as such they deserve to be rewarded via compensation but also, IMO, with our gratitude. The enjoyment I receive from listening to and/or relating to music and lyrics are well worth the cost of a CD. I wish the artists got more of the money but I can’t control that. Many of us here likely feel the same.

    The Internet has introduced exciting new opportunities and challenges in distribution as well as moral considerations for some people. One person might not make much of a difference but doing what is right is always right. Consequently, I buy music and enjoy the experience each artist has elected to share with or create for us.

    As for digital distribution, while convenient, call me old school but I wish we had had more high resolution material and therefore I’ll buy a CD whenever possible and rip it for my iPod if I want portability. The failure of SACD and DVD-Audio, while not unexpected in the iTunes age, was disappointing.

    I would love to hear Matt’s music as closely to the way he created it in the studio as possible. In my case, that currently is a CD shipped from Canada to the US and I look forward to July 31st for Hospital Music. In the meantime I will listen to the stream he graciously shared in the manner he has currently approved it to be heard, via his web site or iTunes Radio and I will do so graciously.

    06 / 30 / 21:41
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    @ miniguy77 -> How did you get a virus from a music file, I didn’t even think that was possible, as, and I’m no computer genius, mp3’s (your most common codec) are simply data and can’t execute……

    Quoting catastrophe:

    90,000 people on rideau.

    won’t make a fucking difference how many YOU buy.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, ya right buddy, who gives a shit how many people are there. Like he has the means to supply enough of his crappy bootleg cds to make anything more than $50 if that, assuming he’s for real and even there, which i doubt.

    But anyway, I digress. Matt’s 100% on the ball on this one. You have to support the artists you enjoy, that is if you want to keep enjoying them. I’ll admit, I burned Avalanche & White Light Rock & Roll Review off my brothers, but i had all the previous albums, and got them into Matt Good, which caused them to buy all the albums too, and I did download the Hospital Music torrent, but will that stop me being at the record store July 31st? Ofcoure not! I like having a hard copy, mostly because I consider myself somewhat of an audiophile, and like high quality music. I like to encode my mp3’s in high quality VBR, you can put less music on whatever digital player you use, but you can totally tell the difference in quality. 128 kbps doesn’t cut it anymore for me, but I guess it’s a testament to the society of mass consumption that we’ve become. People are willing to sacrifice quality, to carry more music around with them. Besides, liner notes and album art are always fun to like at and read. I guess what I’m trying to say is that we shouldn’t settle for some mp3 we download off the internet, even if it is encoded in higher quality, or all we’re going to listen to is the version on our ipod that we ripped; go out and buy the full uncompressed version, support the artist

    06 / 30 / 21:46
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    I just realized you stated above that Avalanche barely sold over 50,000 copies. Is that true? That’s just insane. Is that including I-Tunes purchases? I mean, that was a masterpiece man. I’m speechless.

    06 / 30 / 21:52
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    Quoting Matsfan:

    As always I’ll be buying the physical CD. Many artists, such as Matt, make great music and share it with the rest of world and as such they deserve to be rewarded via compensation but also, IMO, with our gratitude. The enjoyment I receive from listening to and/or relating to music and lyrics are well worth the cost of a CD. I wish the artists got more of the money but I can’t control that. Many of us here likely feel the same.

    The Internet has introduced exciting new opportunities and challenges in distribution as well as moral considerations for some people. One person might not make much of a difference but doing what is right is always right. Consequently, I buy music and enjoy the experience each artist has elected to share with or create for us.

    As for digital distribution, while convenient, call me old school but I wish we had had more high resolution material and therefore I’ll buy a CD whenever possible and rip it for my iPod if I want portability. The failure of SACD and DVD-Audio, while not unexpected in the iTunes age, was disappointing.

    I would love to hear Matt’s music as closely to the way he created it in the studio as possible. In my case, that currently is a CD shipped from Canada to the US and I look forward to July 31st for Hospital Music. In the meantime I will listen to the stream he graciously shared in the manner he has currently approved it to be heard, via his web site or iTunes Radio and I will do so graciously.

    Sorry for the poor grammar at the end of my little rant. Bottom line is I am grateful and will continue to buy music that Matthew Good creates and releases. Speaking of which, any chance that some of the upcoming shows will be officially recorded and made available for purchase? Hint hint, please please!

    06 / 30 / 21:52
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    Okay, time for a confession..

    I re-discovered Matt last fall. I had previously bought the Underdogs and Beautiful Midnight CDs way back when. So when I re-discovered MG, I decided to purchase the Avalanche album off of iTunes. I loved it. So what about the other stuff I missed? I found it somewhere and downloaded it. Realized the quality of the material and ordered the CDs from Amazon. There ya go.

    I forget the logic behind all this but I think it was along the lines of “Wow! I think it’s worth having my own CD of this stuff!”

    06 / 30 / 22:15
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    Loved you since your first album. Definately buying Hospital Music. You should put out a t-shirt that says ” Matt Good gives his music away for free to real assholes “

    07 / 01 / 01:49
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    I have trouble seeing how this is nothing but an issue of respect.

    If the artist wishes to SHARE his work for free, by letting you stream an album or song online, then great, be thankful & respectful and listen in.

    I’m fairly certain the artist, in this case Matt, is also quite capable of setting up his website so that you can download/copy the entire album or a number of songs for free. (It’s not like we’ve all got some secret technology that he doesn’t). However, sometimes, such as this time, he might choose not to. And yet some decide to ignore this wish. So apart from the physical act of stealing, you’re also demonstrating rather unpleasent character by showing zero respect for the artist’s choice.

    And if you think you’re doing the artist a favour by spreading the word with free copies or downloads or what have you - perhaps. But just because you think you’re being helpful, doesn’t mean you are. If you do me the favour of cooking me a steak dinner, you may in fact be doing me no favour at all if I’m a vegetarian. Maybe you’ve introduced ten new fans, but maybe you’ve burnt up five album sales. “Oh, well, they wouldn’t have known to by the album in the first place,” maybe you say. Well, why not instead of giving them a burnt copy, point them to the website where they can hear the streaming album or a few songs for free?

    Ultimately, I believe & shall have a hard time not believing, that these choices of how their art is presented & shared belong to the artist. And we’ve seen a lot of generosity lately. Be it Matt’s streaming of his entire amazing album. Or the fact that you can preview 30 seconds of any track for free at iTunes. I’ve bought albums that instead of the tiny “All Rights Reserved etc” speech on the back, they say “please copy & share this with all of your friends”. I’ve been to shows where it’s $20 buys you up to five albums. You just want one for yourself - $20. You know three friends who’d absolutely love this music - $20 for 4.

    Artists are being very generous these days. And yet somehow enough is never enough…. I’ve got no problem if an artist wants to give me their work for free. I’ve also got no problem if they’d rather not. It’s their art - their choice. Artists choose how to share & present their work, we as consumers then choose who to support.

    Just because you can do something doesn’t make it right. Must I argue such simple things? Just because you can steal music for free online, doesn’t mean you should. Just because there are guns in the world, it doesn’t make killing right. And, for fuck’s sake, just because you’ve got an 80 GB iPod, doesn’t mean you’ve got the right to not pay full price for music. (From above -”It’s simply unreasonable to expect people to pay to fill their 80 gig iPods - at a dollar a song, the end price is crazy” - sorry Wolfrider, I don’t know you, you could be a great person, but c’mon - unreasonable??? really??? So you bought the largest of huge fridges - Do you now deserve discounted beer & orange juice???)

    Please - Can’t we all just respect and honour the choices of the artists we claim to love as we would the wishes of our dearest friends?

    Sorry for the extremely long post. I assure you this is the short version.
    Maybe I feel too strongly because I’m an artist who realizes how difficult it is, how much work it takes, to create something you feel passionately about. Maybe I’m too into the whole treat-others-like-you’d-wanna-be-treated line of thought. Maybe I’m just tired of having this argument with my roommate who burns a stack of 50 discs and then sends them to his sister as a birthday gift. Maybe I’m still blown away by the fact that i can buy 12 or 15 brilliant songs for $10-$15!!!!!!! I mean, even if you’re working for minimum wage, you’re paying little more than an hour’s work for a lifetime music - not to mention the ideas, thoughts, feelings, and memories that it brings.

    Anyway - Thanks Matt, for letting me hear Hospital Music. All I could say was “Wow”. I find myself engulfed by honesty I have not bathed in for much, much too long. Looking forward to July 31st & the next live show.

    Nick

    07 / 01 / 02:39
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    I though I might also like to add…… that maybe I’m a little too afraid of a world where the ONLY way to hear the next Jeff Tweedy record will be to buy a Volkswagon and press the “Wilco” button on the dashboard.

    Perhaps I’m getting ahead of myself, but the thought alone is much too terrible.

    07 / 01 / 02:59
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    That I want you to keep making records is why I purchased Born Losers on iTunes the other day. After reading this, I’ll probably purchase some more of your catalogue on iTunes though I own the physical CDs.

    All this despite the fact that I really hate all of the patently annoying restrictions that come with music downloaded from iTunes (which, it seems to me, are both a fool’s game and will eventually be the big 4 record companies’ downfall. That or suing grannies & college kids to try and make a point).

    Earlier today I googled for “I’m not safer than a bank” and saw the aforementioned torrents, and yes, it’s tempting, if only to be able to listen to “Boy Come Home” on loop. Regardless I’m still purchasing a copy, maybe several. Both for the sake of a higher fidelity recording and the fact that I want you to keep doing what you do best.

    Peace.

    07 / 01 / 03:14
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    Well, I ripped the iTunes broadcast so I could put it on my iPod, but at 112kbps it doesn’t sound great. It’ll do until I get my hands on my own copy of the CD to rip for myself.

    Also got to admit that I download most albums that people rave about to give them a listen and if I like them then I buy a copy of my own. Piracy may be a problem for the record industry, but DRM isn’t the solution as I (like many others I know) refuse to buy either CD’s or iTunes downloads that are crippled by DRM.

    07 / 01 / 03:31
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    Administrator Tony, sir, I think you broke the comments. Or am I the only one who sees everything out of alignment following the youtube video? I’m on Firefox if that matters.

    As for the topic at hand, I tend to group music into three categories: Good enough to buy, good enough to download, and good enough to delete. Matt has always been in the Buy section. I don’t even need to preview his music first; he always delivers the goods.

    Side note: availability on torrent doesn’t appear to be having an immediate effect if amazon is any indication. As of right now Hospital Music is hovering on amazon.ca’s sales rank around #2/#3, and that’s on preorders alone with a month left to go before release. I don’t know if that means much, but your fanbase seems alive and well, Mr Good.

    I wonder if the stream rip will inadvertently have a positive effect on sales. Once the album comes out people will be looking for it on P2P, then may end up with the low quality stream version instead, which may encourage them to just go buy the CD. (Didn’t music companies try this, flooding the P2P networks with inferior versions of songs just to frustrate downloaders? I wonder if it had any effect.)

    I’m with alanrob on the DRM issue. As far as I’m concerned, preventing me from ripping a legitimately-purchased CD to my MP3 player equates to a faulty disc that will be returned. (I wouldn’t do that with Hospital Music, of course, but ONLY because it’s special special.)

    07 / 01 / 04:06
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    After having listened to the stream on Friday, I was absolutely floored. Matt, I’ve followed your music for at least ten years, and I heard elements and subtle hints from more than a decade’s worth of music in this new album. I enjoy both the music, and hearing how you’ve grown as an artist. — I’m sorry I’m late in voicing my praise for the album and passing best birthday wishes along, but this thread seemed an appropriate place to lay it all out. Sorry in advance for the lengthy post.

    Many years ago, I was invited by friends to attend a show of yours. As encouragement, they gave me a CD of bootlegged Raygun, Broken, and Left of Normal tracks… which tuned me into your music. From there, exposure to your writing and political activism has helped shape my character in a positive way; and for that I’m indebted to both you, and to my friend who earnestly promoted your music so many years ago.

    I had the opportunity to go out driving with friends last night, and immediately wanted to share your new album with everyone, in a genuine effort to continue that cycle. I would’ve put down any form of payment right then to get a good quality recording to put on my iPod. In the absence of that option, I had the album downloaded from a torrent in under ten minutes, and listened to it with friends for two hours. It left quite an impression on all of us.

    My ability to enjoy and share your art one month before your record label decides to release it on some arbitrary “new music tuesday” will not discourage me from purchasing it from the same record label on its official release day. It will not curb my desire to purchase tickets for both upcoming shows in Victoria and the show in Vancouver (because your live shows are fantastic — bootlegged recordings can never do them justice). If we all come to terms with the fact that there will always be hecklers and freeloaders like `catastrophe`, and there will always be fans and supporters like most everyone else in this thread, even the act of addressing music piracy to fans on your website seems somewhat pointless, albeit a necessary evil.

    I’d like to propose a new discussion for the group: What’s involved in establishing an environment that can support the creative works of artists like Matt? I don’t have the luxury of being a member of the Medici family: one who could use their wealth and influence to support artists and bring about an era of prosperity for the arts and for human rights. No single person on this forum has the money for that kind of sea change… so what do we do?

    Record labels seem to be the big blocker in opening up a path for independent artists. I could go on for hours describing ways in which labels affect the creative process and dilute the quality of music we are exposed to; Rather than dwell on the negatives… can we focus on ways to remove labels from the picture altogether? Is the money a big label throws at an artist in terms of the production, distribution, and promotion of new music completely indispensable? With the advent of iTunes and CD Baby changing the face of the distribution channel, if we forget promotion for a minute (tough to compete for radio time when it’s all been bought anyway)… would the higher percentage of album sales going directly to the artist cover things such as living expenses and studio time?

    I almost think this should be spun into a completely separate thread, but it really depends on what we as a community can come up with. What’s realistically gained if existing fans purchase two, three, or four albums? Short of sharing music by giving the legitimately purchased copies to friends… it’s only marginally padding the pockets of labels, and isn’t the paradigm shift I’m looking for. How could recording studios be made more affordable? Should the Federal government be doing more to subsidize burgeoning Canadian artists? (This could mean anything from direct sponsorship, to tax breaks, to a requirement for more Canadian content on television and radio stations enforced through the Department of Canadian Heritage…)

    The crux of my post is that if Matt’s record contract is in jeopardy because of a few lackluster album releases (where greater fault rests in poor decisions by label management surrounding their promotion than the fault of those without the intent or financial means to purchase the albums at all), we owe it to ourselves to explore every available option to ensure he can continue creating new music free from a hostile label environment.

    Happy Canada Day, everyone!
    :: soundstruck (the optimist)

    07 / 01 / 04:42
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    There is no doubt that I will be purchasing a copy, no matter how I hear the album before hand.

    07 / 01 / 06:11
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    Quoting BuffaloJones:

    If only you had copies of the material from your early demos, Matt. I’d pay quite a bit for higher quality remastered versions of those. Released independently I’d say it would help pay the bills and give fans a first-hand insight into your more humble beginnings.

    I agree - you deserve my money for making music that I enjoy listening to, even if it has never been commercially released. It’s yours, it’s awesome, and you deserve compensation.

    07 / 01 / 08:04
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    Quoting wynne:

    Quoting BuffaloJones:

    If only you had copies of the material from your early demos, Matt. I’d pay quite a bit for higher quality remastered versions of those. Released independently I’d say it would help pay the bills and give fans a first-hand insight into your more humble beginnings.

    I agree - you deserve my money for making music that I enjoy listening to, even if it has never been commercially released. It’s yours, it’s awesome, and you deserve compensation.

    I agree and you can count me as another would-be buyer of this material as well.

    07 / 01 / 10:09
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    Really great. Count on my purchase as always.

    07 / 01 / 18:28
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    ALSO sometimes downloading is the only way to get access to an artists music or if the album is out of print.

    07 / 01 / 18:47
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    not to advocate any sort of violence, but it’s amazing what a little knowledge of physics and 15 psi can do to the joints of a random thief selling low-quality crap on any street, let alone Rideau.

    And Mr McCormack, speaking as someone who has set foot in Scotland, you’re in desperate need of a good old Glasgow Kiss. And some music lessons. Also, it’s quite inetersting that your photoshop art looks like third-rate radiohead album art cast-offs. I’ve heard it said that good artists borrow and great artists steal, but there’s something to be said for at least some level of originality.

    I for one, plan on buying the album…and not from iTunes unless there ends up being some type of iTunes-specific extra goodie. And since the days of Napster, have been of the opinion that not paying for a product is theft…and that ripping a stream is violation of a not-always-unspoken contract, and falls under the theft category also.

    07 / 01 / 20:41
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    Whether or not anyone is reading this post anymore… I thought “can’t get shot in the back” was supposed to be on the album, was I mistaken, or did it get cut out?

    07 / 02 / 11:27
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    This subject came up in the forums a while ago and I said my piece then. To summarise: nothing is free. Everything has a cost, and if you want to ensure you can keep getting the music you like, pay for it, preferrably directly to the artist.

    07 / 02 / 11:41
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    Dear Matt.. the day that the full album began streaming on the site.. i began listening to it, as you intended us to. But i love Matt Good and i had to have the files to listen to on my iPod.. so i went and downloaded the torrent that was already available. and i must say im very thankful that people do this and share the music.

    I must make it absolutely clean as well.. that i intend on buying a copy the day it is released in stores, and plan on supporting at least 2 shows on the upcoming tour (i know the majority of money artists make is through touring).

    I would also prefer to maybe purchase the album directly from matt.. so the middle man doesnt get any money. im sure you will offer that on the site as well.

    To be honest though.. i do download a lot of media and i do not in turn buy the actual copies… why, its too expensive and i make just above minimum wage. if i were to buy every movie, game and record that i wanted, i would need hundreds of thousands of dollars.. and to be perfectly honest, most of this stuff is not worth the price of admission, hence i have a very good reason to download it for free. If more entertainment that was released to the public was of a higher standard, then maybe i would feel obliged to spend my hard earned money on it.

    As it stands right now.. Matthew Good’s albums are the only music i have bought in the last 10 years. Although i feel shamed for a few of my other favorite artists that i have stolen from :( i just cant afford it!!

    07 / 03 / 16:35
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    I’m definitely going to buy the record.

    And even though the stream is up and I can listen to the whole thing I am not! I am waiting until I buy the CD, put it in the player, and listen the good old way! It’s asking a lot of patience but it’ll be worth the wait in the end I’m sure! ;)

    :D

    07 / 04 / 07:04
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    here’s my two bits on the issue:

    am i downloading the torrent? yes. will it stop be from buying the album? no. (pre-ordered already). as it happens, i got into matt’s music through a friend giving me a lot of downloaded stuff about 5 years ago - then went out and bought every single cd there was, including a copy of loser anthems i paid an obscene amount of money for…

    quality was a consideration, not to mention the obvious fact that you need to register you support for an artist that doesn’t pander to lowest common denominator taste in order to sell 17 billion records (long list that one), and hope enough people will do same in order for said artist to keep having the opportunity to release music…

    and my only complaint is i can’t come to any shows! i lived in the uk, now live in greece, so my only option is to travel to canada, which i can’t do this year coz i’m working till october and then my passport gets temporarily revoked until i do my bloody national service… but the plan is there for when touring starts for the next album… fingers crossed…

    07 / 06 / 04:03
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    ahh, so your one of the artists that alan cross speaks of eh? the kind that is forever in debt from there record label although there one of the or was one of the bigest out there?

    shame matt, its people like you that I use for examples… as a reason NOT to get into the music industry… of course, your only the one of the many

    08 / 13 / 21:40

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