I Can’t Think Of A Title That Encapsulates My Anger
While not commonly mentioned on this website, one thing that I am incredibly dedicated to is animal welfare. Being that I have four dogs myself, I’m obviously affected when I hear stories of animal abuse, no matter the species, and infuriated that it is still prevalent in our society.
Yesterday, I was sent a link to an article by a reader about the rise in popularity in dog fighting in the United States. The indictment of pro NFL player Michael Vick with regards to this disgusting ‘sport’ has brought attention to the fact that dog fighting is something that is not uncommon, and the article provides some very valuable information about not only the abuses that the animals used suffer, but the fact that their entire lives are basically destroyed because they have had aggression taught and lured out of them, commonly in the cruelest of ways.
There are those that dislike breeds that are commonly equated with canine violence, the most prevalent among them being pit bull’s, but is vastly important to remember that while such breeds are often easier to train to be violent, they primarily become so because of the inclinations of their owners.
My own dogs, three of which are very small, played with a pit bull at a local park when they were all puppies – the pit bull included. And while she was obviously much stronger and overpowering than them, her attitude was simply that of a happy puppy playing with other dogs. And while her size sometimes intimidated my dogs, it did not stop them from running about with her from time to time.
The largest of my four dogs, a German Shepherd cross of some kind – she was either born in the wild or dumped in the woods as a puppy – is also considerably larger than my three small ones. She is also the youngest of the four dogs, and since her rescue and integration with Pete, Casey, and Benji, has never acted aggressively towards them. In fact, she acts entirely in the opposite. Of course, the main reason behind that is that she lives in an environment in which she is adored, never, ever touched in an aggressive fashion, and not even spoken to in tones that are aggressive. Like all dogs, when she does something inappropriate, she is reprimanded, but it’s done in such a way that her trust and sense of security is not threatened.
So someone explain to me the purpose of putting two dogs in a pit or cage and having them attempt to kill each other for the sake of sport? What sort of sick fuck not only engages in such an undertaking, but finds it entertaining to watch?
I’m not an advocate of violence, but in this case I’d say the best remedy is to throw those assholes in one of those pits with the dogs that they have beaten and bred to be aggressive, and let the dog sort them out.
We’ll see just what sort of ‘man’ Michael Vick is then.
I apologize, this issue gets me very upset.
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July 19th, 2007 at 11:40 am
I agree completely with you. Anyone that finds it entertaining is indeed a “sick fuck.”
July 19th, 2007 at 11:43 am
This issue gets me very upset too, Matt. The picture of the pitbull is really hard for me to look at. Anyone who abuses an animal should suffer the same consequences as someone who is found guilty of abusing a human being. The law should be much tougher on these sickos.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:48 am
There was a place in Quebec that is the biggest producer of Foie Gras that was shown in the news having one of its employee torturing ducks (not only force feeding them, but also kicking them, tearing their heads off whilst still alive, hitting the ducks’s heads of a wall, etc).
Any idiot that enjoys torturing any living creature should be arrested. Not only those who are violent against humans.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:48 am
I seriously can not comprehend for the life of me who the hell could find this so-called sport entertaining. It’s absolutely horrifying that people actually do this. I agree with you, these sick fucks should be thrown in the cage and sorted out by the dogs.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:49 am
I saw this on the news and was appalled, disgusted, sickened (the list goes on). I only caught the tail end but also heard that if the dogs aren’t killed during the fight, they’re often electrocuted or killed afterward by some means of torture.
Oh, I’d love to those men thrown in the cage and then we’d see what big men they really are. My heart aches for animals when they’re at our mercy and cannot stop what is happening to them.
Sick fucks is right.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:49 am
You are not alone on this one Matt. It absolutely sickens me the things people will do to animals, and the ridiculously weak punishments they receive for their actions. With the Michael Vick case, it isn’t bad enough that these people were making the animals fight for their own entertainment and financial gain, but they so inhumanely killed them if they didn’t win. It’s not okay to electrocute or drown a human to death if they disappoint you, and it isn’t okay to do it to these animals either. I don’t advocate violence either, but somehow I don’t think it would bother me if they gave these people just a little taste of their own medicine, just let them feel a little of what the animals were feeling.
While pit bulls are not one of my favourite breeds, you are very right about the fact that they get their bad reputation solely from the dogs who were made to be violent based on the training/treatment they received from their owners. I can think of a few examples of people I have known who have pit bulls that they have given the proper training and raised with love and respect. They are two of the nicest, sweetest, and most well-behaved dogs I have ever encountered. Unfortunately, pitt bulls seem to be one of those breeds that too many misguided people are drawn to because they think having a pit bull makes them look tough and cool….these people are the problem, not the dogs.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:51 am
I read that on your feed last night before bed, and it’s absolutely sickening. I remember reading the part about how matches sometimes went on as long as 45 minutes, and often resulted in broken bones or the dogs biting through their own libs.
It’s hard to imagine that there are people would do that to animals.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:53 am
This was all over Jim Rome’s show yesterday and needless to say, after hearing all the grisly allegations in the Michael Vick case, my dog got an extra long walk.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:53 am
Consumption of meat places animals on a lower level than humans which makes prosecuting these types of cases as Dancing Invisible said very difficult.
July 19th, 2007 at 11:59 am
some sick sick people out there that have to use innocent animals for their own gratification.
sick bastards.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:05 pm
While I am not a big dog lover, I do find that what Vick has done is extremely poor in taste. Dogs are suppose to be there as man’s best friend, and not as man’s best fighter. It just shows how sick some people of the human race have become, to get sick kicks out pitting dogs one against another. I am no advocate of violence either, but I think we should, hang, or beat, or even electrocute Vick, just like he did to the dogs. There is no just reason for his actions, or anyones actions for what has taken place.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:06 pm
Animals are like children. They possess an innocence that is far too often betrayed by evil people.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:06 pm
totally agree………..let’s hope his celebrity status doesn’t get him off the hook with this unacceptable behavior
July 19th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Just as you posted this entry, I was coincidentally searching all over Google for a way to e-mail Vick with my thoughts. There’s not a much more sickening thing you can do than to harm children or animals — those who are totally dependent on you and innocent. I fear that this major story will only lure other young men into the “sport” who are sports fans and look up to this sort of celebrity figure. Losing his career and going to jail is the least of what he should suffer.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
I give up…too rattled to try again.
Anyhow, the story’s in the National Post’s Full Comment.
It tells of how the losing dogs are tortured by Vick and his cohorts…either by hosing them down and then electrocuting them, hanging them or repeatedly slamming them into the ground until they died. So I’d say that should be their punishment.
If you could please delete my two other comments that were done while I was still shaking in anger please? Thank you.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:15 pm
That’s just fucking plain sociopathic. I mean, that’s the sort of thing mass murderers do as children that then leads them to doing it to humans.[/quote]
I am sure this is not the only violence that these people have committed. My guess is that dogs are not their only target, but I could be wrong.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:16 pm
I meant to quote Matt on my last comment. Apologies.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:18 pm
Something very relevant I came across on YouTube the other day; check it out it’s only about 26 seconds long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2OC5Z1Fii8
July 19th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Mike Vick was my favourite athlete. The man can move and looks like a little kid playing tag out there on the field.
Im still hoping that he had no knowledge of this incident, or was somehow coerced into letting this shit go on at one of his homes.
Say it aint so Vick, say it aint so.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:22 pm
Do you think someone put up the dog shed and kennels and conducted fights with out his knowledge? Really?
July 19th, 2007 at 12:24 pm
Sick fucks.
When it comes to animal abuse, i couldn’t be trusted to make a rational decision if I ever encountered a scenario of the sorts.
Where’s my bat. End of story.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:28 pm
The fact that I just threw up is all the comment I can offer at this time.
I hope they electrocute him as he did the dogs. Perhaps anally. That’d be pretty good.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:28 pm
It’s revolting behaviour for humans to engage in.
I actually couldn’t look at the picture for as long as it would take to read the whole post through…makes me ill.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
This has always been an issue that has been close to my heart. Sometimes I look at my pup (who to me will always be a pup, even when he is 10) and I always wish I could do better, even though I know he lives in the lap of luxury. I wish I had a huge house that I could adopt dogs by the bucketfull and love them all. Unfortunately there just isnt enough room in my 1 bed. But it sickens me when I think of not just dog fighting, but the multitude of animal abuses that go on all over the world. I cant do much about dog fighting on the streets of New York, but for those of you who live in the US and are interested, here are two links to places that have a LOT of information about animal cruelty, laws in certain states (in some states dog fighting is only a misdemenour and punishable by a fine and only 1 year in prison, in others it is a felony. Please note that ONLY in Georgia is it legal to watch a dog fight). It also has a lot of information about how to get involved, if people so desire.
There are PLENTY of other sites and places out there, and in the interests of space I wont paste them all, but you can link off to them from many of these locations.
http://network.bestfriends.org/
http://www.hsus.org/
http://www.humanesociety.com/
July 19th, 2007 at 12:31 pm
[quote post="1314"]I’m not an advocate of violence, but in this case I’d say the best remedy is to throw those assholes in one of those pits with the dogs that they have beaten and bred to be aggressive, and let the dog sort them out.[/quote]
That is exactly my sentiment, Matt. Either that or have them slowly and relentlessly tortured until they bleed to death. These sick bastards deserve it as far as I’m concerned.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
And it never fails that reading these articles, seeing these videos, and hearing about these tragedies makes me sob like a child. And then get very angry.
Incidentally….there is a debate going on with a few people I know. Amazon.com and Barnesandnoble.com are selling books that promote and educate people on how to train dogs and cocks to fight. I am morally opposed to this and find it disgusting, and was ready to cancel my membership to both institutions. I brought it up to some people, and they made the ‘free speech’ argument. While I am still planning on cancelling my membership this weekend for this reason alone, I am curious to know what other people’s take is on shops and stores online that sell these sorts of publications.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
There have been many arrests of these “dog fighting rings” in the Detroit area, dog fighting in Detroit is very popular with the cities gangs, it is very sickening…
Here is a site that I found a couple years back when a lot of arrests were happening in Detroit, it is very very sad!! ** Graphic Pictures**
DOG FIGHTING - THE TRUTH
This site offers a unique look at dogfighting using dogfighter’s own words
http://www.workingpitbull.com/dogfighting.htm
July 19th, 2007 at 12:36 pm
I’m going to refrain from being too harsh on Michael Vick just yet…after all he is innocent until proven guilty. But dog fighting is one of the world’s most vile activities and is absolutely sickening. I would hope Vick is not involved in this, but if he is in fact guilty he should never be allowed to be viewed positively in the public eye ever again, and if the world were just, he’d be kicked out of the NFL for a long time.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
Jumping on the bandwagon here, I completely agree Matt. That guy should be fucking tortured.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
A person that finds torturing an animal or human, for that matter, good entertainment needs therapy and lots and lots of it.
I saw this on the news and couldn’t stand to look or listen. It’s just so sad and horrible.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
This is CRAZY…
I know pit bull owners and have friends with other large breeds. It wouldn’t even cross their mind to do something like that. It is the owners of these dogs that are nuts, not the dogs.
July 19th, 2007 at 12:53 pm
This is nauseating– it makes my stomach turn. Those poor puppes. I hope the animal rights advocates will get all the support they need to police this “sport”, save this animals, and punish these ill people.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:00 pm
vick’s an ass
July 19th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
This morning I found an application on facebook that many may find they want to join as a way to condemn this violence.
http://apps.facebook.com/causes/view_cause/717?recruiter_id=2587388
It’s put together by Pitt Bull Rescue Central Inc, based in Montana. This is their web-site, if you want to find out more:
http://www.pbrc.net/
July 19th, 2007 at 1:04 pm
“this issue gets me very upset”
As it does me.
I read a similar article yesterday on CNN and it almost brought tears to my eyes to read about how they punish the dogs if they are “weak” or if they lose a fight. I cannot believe that there are people who could find some sort of pleasure in watching or breeding dogs just for this sport. I hope the people who are involved with this get severely punished. I know I’d like to get my hands on them.
What is with people lately? A few weeks ago I was browsing around CNN like I do most days when I’m bored at work, there was a story about a man in the US who tied his 4 month old Chihuahua to the back of his SUV with the dogs leash and proceeded to drive several blocks down the road. Thankfully a couple followed the man and rescued the innocent little puppy. But they showed a video of the aftermath of what that asshole had done and the vet was saying how she hoped they wouldn’t have to put him down, but he was badly injured, there were actual chunks of his skin missing. This story did bring tears to my eyes.
I have two dogs of my own, one who we found tied to a tree in Chilliwack BC, scared, alone, and litterally covered in fleas- he was only about 2 months old. He’s 8 years old now and he is my most favourite thing in the entire world. He is such a smart, kind and gentle dog.
I don’t know how people can be so cruel to animals. I feel terrible when I step on a snail.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
[quote comment="20028"]Do you think someone put up the dog shed and kennels and conducted fights with out his knowledge? Really?[/quote]
Its not beyond the realms of possibility. A lot of athletes get in over their heads when it comes to gangs and organized crime. However, I said “hoping” not “expecting,” sadly I expect that he will be found guilty. This makes me very sad, seeing as I used to view this guy in the same light that many people view David Beckham.
On another note: How come so many people rush to judge and demand blood? Will you all appologize and take back your demands for torture and grusome death if the evidence points to Vick’s limited or non-existant involvement? Somehow I doubt that you all will be as generous with appologies as you are with the “lets ass-fuck him and kill him” comments.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
I agree. This article brought me to tears. It never fails to amaze me the lack of compassion humans are capable of towards the other inhabitants of this planet (and ourselves too).
I have a 6-month old Beagle and she is the light of my life. I could not imagine her, or any other dog for that matter, in that kind of a situation, having that kind of life.
I hope he gets what he deserves, however, I doubt he will. Rarely does the punishment fit the crime in cases of animal abuse.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:09 pm
This is Wooley Bear:
http://flickr.com/photos/sehardy/234271147/in/set-72157594269500641/
When I read what Michael Vick has been charged of I see it all happening to my Wooley
I would ask everyone here who has voiced their disgust at this to TAKE ACTION!
Write to the NFL and ask them to take action against Michael Vick. If he was accused of murdering people, he would be suspended, so why not for dogs?
Write to Amazon and Borders to tell them to stop carrying materials on animal fighting.
link 1
link 2
Thank you.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
[quote]there was a story about a man in the US who tied his 4 month old Chihuahua to the back of his SUV with the dogs leash and proceeded to drive several blocks down the road.[/quote]
Are you sure this wasn’t the media blowing things way out of proportion? It’s not like the media doesn’t lie about these things to get people to watch.
If its real it makes me sick with rage; but you just cant trust the media now adays, especially in these types of reports.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:22 pm
I can not even comprehend the insanity and iggnorance of these sick fucks. How can anyone with a soul be remotely ammused by such disgust. I would pay to watch these fuckin idiots be caged and attacked. Lets see how it feels. Hey, wanna babysit my child too Vick, you sick fuck!! Sorry, I get alittle in raged when I hear sick bullshit, from even sicker fuckers….Hope you all rot in hell BASTARDS……
July 19th, 2007 at 1:28 pm
[quote comment="20017"]Animals are like children. They possess an innocence that is far too often betrayed by evil people.[/quote]
You couldn’t be more right! Did you know that it has been proven that pigs have the cognitive abilities of a 3 year old!
Sick fucks is right! Animals are not here for OUR exploitation!!
PETA has launched a campaign to stop such arocities! you can sign the petition at the link bellow…
http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/petition_dog_fighting
July 19th, 2007 at 1:43 pm
Coren is it so hard to believe we live in a world where someone would do that? The chiuahuah (?) story was undeniably awful but I’ve heard far more twisted and harder to believe cases than that..
July 19th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
I suppose it’s a generalisation, but in my experience - living in Berlin - the vast majority of pitbull owners seem to be the exact sort of person you don’t want to see owning a dog that could quite possibly kill you. I’m not suggesting they take their pets to dog fights, but they do seem to be an extension of their outwardly aggressive appearance. Pitbulls with good owners can be utterly lovely dogs, but sadly, it seems very rare around these parts.
July 19th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
Unfortunately animal cruelty and abuse is prevalent. I had someone who worked for me who had two pit bulls and was training them to fight. Recently where I live it was reported that someone was witnessed driving down the road and randomly throwing 6 week old kittens out the window into oncoming traffic. At first I didn’t believe it until I saw two of the kittens dean on the road while driving home from work. Apparently two survived and have since been adopted. People flock to Alberta and Manitoba to shoot gophers for fun. What kind of sick fuck gets joy, pleasure or satisfaction in harming and torturing animals? It’s a concept that I have a hard time digesting without going into a deep rage. I like you Matt don’t necessarily advocate violence, however people who willingly and joyfully harm innocent, defenseless animals deserve a whole worlds worth of violence brought down on them. Sick mouth breathing Fucks!
July 19th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
[quote comment="20071"]Coren is it so hard to believe we live in a world where someone would do that? The chiuahuah (?) story was undeniably awful but I’ve heard far more twisted and harder to believe cases than that..[/quote]
Yes it is. Have you actually ever SEEN with your naked eyes something like this? I havn’t, which is why I find it hard to believe. I expect that the “harder to believe cases” also came from the media did they not?
The media twists nearly every “emotional” story to portray “bad guys” where in fact there are none, journalism is a load of crap… its all about entertainment value, and if stories arn’t twisted to entertain, they arn’t shown (and the journalist isn’t paid).
People want to believe in “bad guys” to make themselves feel more moral than someone else (holier than thou syndrome)… so they can say to themselves “Im not as bad as that guy.”
I find it much more likely that a dog owner accidentally drove away after forgetting he tied his dog to the bumper of his car to stop it from running away as he loaded his groceries. And some reporter, knowing that he wont be feeding his 3 kids unless he gets a good story twists and mangles and ‘forgets’ the facts to make something of entertainment.
Lets not let the media be our moral compass ok, lets not blindly believe in what they tell us, and lets not base our judgement and prejudices upon what the media says. Thats all Im saying here.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:06 pm
I have a Pit Bull myself that my wife and I rescued from a shelter, and he is the picture of a kind and gentle dog. Due to shitheads like Vick it puts my dog and the Pit Bull bread under the microscope.
I can only hope that Vick gets what he deserves which is a baseball bat to the head from a former fan or like Matt said…put into the ring with his own dogs he mistreated. I would only add that when that happens they should strap bloody steaks to Vick’s ass…
July 19th, 2007 at 2:12 pm
[quote comment="20056"][quote]there was a story about a man in the US who tied his 4 month old Chihuahua to the back of his SUV with the dogs leash and proceeded to drive several blocks down the road.[/quote]
Are you sure this wasn’t the media blowing things way out of proportion? It’s not like the media doesn’t lie about these things to get people to watch.
If its real it makes me sick with rage; but you just cant trust the media now adays, especially in these types of reports.[/quote]
*Warning- this video does show the damage on the dog who was dragged behind the SUV. It truly is very sad.*
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/07/06/brown.dog.dragged.by.suv.wear
That link should work.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
First of all, open your eyes, the world is fucked.
Second of all the media doesn’t alter their stories to MAKE them fucked, they just filter out and only choose to show ones that ARE fucked. That includes television, radio and newspaper.
The media has no need to lie, the world is full of stories of injustice and crime to satisfy the peoples lust for disheartening news.
Case in point: German shepard. Ears sliced off. Doused in gasoline. Lit on fire. 1 year ago.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
[quote]*Warning- this video does show the damage on the dog who was dragged behind the SUV. It truly is very sad.*
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/07/06/brown.dog.dragged.by.suv.wear
That link should work.[/quote]
Im not going to look, I’ll take your word that its a nasty piece of film… does the film however go into the motivation of the driver? Does it show him on camera at all, or does it just show the gore?
July 19th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
After our family dog of 10 years was put down last June, I’ve been waiting to get a dog of my own. It took about a year’s time, because I knew I wanted to get an adult from the Humane Society instead of a pure-bred puppy, which my mom has (a Newfoundlander). Anyway, just over two weeks ago, I finally found the one I wanted… a German Shepherd cross that we called Sam. He’s about 85lbs (Nicole Ritchie after lunch) and was a tough sell to my grandparents, who thought he was too big and possibly aggressive based on his breed. I had them come in to see Sam while I took him out for a walk into the fenced in parks that the THS has in the back of their building, and they agreed almost right away upon actually seeing him. He’s a good little walker, doesn’t pull at all, and responds to his name or whistling, no problem. Since having him at home, I’ve had no problems with him at all. No chewing, no anxiety when I leave the house, and he loves people.
I’ve long since decided that once I’m financially stable, I’m going to adopt the older dogs or the pit bulls that people seem to have so much trouble taking home. One at a time for sure, but it always makes me sad to think of the 8-12 year old dogs and pit bulls that just spend their “golden years” in a pound because people are searching for a life-long companion… I don’t even consider myself that much of a “dog person”, but they can be such a huge part of a person’s life, regardless of the breed or type. My grandmother made the mistake of an off-hand “no one wants pit bulls” comment in front of a woman who worked at the pound, who explained that it’s not a matter of people straying them because they become violent or because of the stereotype of their breed, but because they’re actually an extremely popular in Canada, so there are simply more of them to be strayed. I was also reassured to hear that if they get the vibe from someone that they want a ‘bull for ‘tough’ reasons, they refuse adoption right away. I was pretty happy to hear that.
Anyway. I think Jon Stewart said it best on the Daily Show last night..
“Oh, how I would love to cover him in liver and let the dogs find out if he’s as fast and elusive as they say he is. I think NOT.”
July 19th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
I agree 100% with this.
July 19th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
on a local talk radio show, this topic came up just a short while ago, and a listener had the sack to call in and dismiss the whole affair as being blown out of porportion because it involves a celebrity. personally, if that IS the case, i’m glad. maybe dogfighting needs a poster boy like ol’ ron mexico to bring it to the attention of a wider audience. in many states, it is still legal to be a spectator at a dog fight, and the penalty for arranging or participating in them is certainly not as harsh as it should be, being a misdemeanor only in some places.
unfortunately, vick’s punishment will never be able to fit his crimes. i’d like to say that the inevitable loss of endorsement deals would make me happy, but then again, i wasn’t there when they dug up the graves of the animals he’s had a hand in not only killing, but torturing.
if i were him, i’d start looking for a bodyguard.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
In regards to Vick: http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/Story?id=3219334&page=1
July 19th, 2007 at 3:31 pm
People are outraged and rightly so.
But why do we hold cats and dogs up so high in our affections and other animals such as cows, pigs, chickens, rabbits, so low? How can one advocate for humane treatment of “pets” and at the same time go to the grocery store and buy meat from factory farms where animals are kept in unbelievably terrible conditions their entire lives? I see a lot of hypocrisy here.
There is such a thing as “humane” meat. But it involves some EFFORT, some THOUGHT and a bit more money to acquire. There are many inexpensive alternatives to meat if you can’t afford free-range, organic meats, such as beans and tofu.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
If I had a pet cow- I’d feel the same way as I do for my dogs. Also if I had a pet cow, I most likely wouldn’t eat other cows.
July 19th, 2007 at 3:54 pm
I just another article about the same incident, and a couple of paragraphs shocked me:
and this paragraph about the injuries:
July 19th, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Coren - motivation? Is there any possible excuse for someone to do something like that to an animal??
Also - there was an incident in Alberta a while ago - quote from cbcnews: A 17-year-old Alberta youth pleaded guilty Wednesday to one count of animal cruelty in a horrific case of abuse that made national headlines.
A Lab-border collie cross named Daisy Duke was found barely alive and had to be euthanized by a veterinarian in October 2006 after she was dragged behind a car with a rope around her neck, a bag over her head and all four legs bound.
She suffered injuries including a broken neck, back and pelvis.
So - do you think whatever motivation he may have had would excuse that type of behaviour? And it’s hard to make the media out to blame when he pleaded guilty.
Just trying to make the point that yes, it’s NOT so hard to believe that there are people that do things like that.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
DISGUSTING! DISTURBING! and downright SICK!!
this man (or anyone who supports this kind of twisted behavior) should be thrown into this dog fighting ring or whatever it takes place in and see how they feel…
my dogs are like my children and i couldn’t even FATHOM hurting them in any way, shape or form and just the fact that there are people out there that can do this…ugh!
July 19th, 2007 at 4:01 pm
Duane - that made me cry.
I’m gonna go hug my dog now.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
Whatever happened to Innocent until proven guilty ? On a side note Nike suspended his latest shoe from coming out so they are hitting him where it hurts. I still feel he deserves a day in court (if it gets that far, we all know what happens when you got money)
July 19th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
for the record dog fighting is disgusting and sick. I NO WAY think it is a good thing.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
They found a ton of pit bulls, dog pens and blood stained carpets and they have at least one informant claiming to have seen him at numerous dog fights, paying upwards of $40,000 bets on fights.
He’s guilty. Fuck him. Fuck him hard.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
[quote]Second of all the media doesn’t alter their stories to MAKE them fucked[/quote]
No the media DOES alter stories to make them fucked, it happens all the time. Don’t believe everything you watch on TV.
[quote]As for Vick, did it occur on his property? Does he own that property and is responsible for it? Are you suggesting that people broke on to his property and started a dog fighting ring? Are you also saying that were that the case, it being his property, that he would have no knowledge of it, or that he wouldn’t have someone in his employ that checks his properties on occassion with regards to upkeep? I could give a fuck less what does on the football field.[/quote]
Im not saying hes innocent here, Im just postulating something. My postulation has not been proven, but then again NOTHING has been proven here (yet people judge and call for blood)… my hypothesis is just as valid right now until the jury has it’s say.
—-
You’re Michael Vick, you have a family, friends, and people you care about. One day, you make a little mistake… perhaps you buy weed from a blood, perhaps you place a bet with a member of the crypts. You get involved in organized crime in some small way.
Over the period of a few years your debts to the organized crime gang grows until finally you are told that people would be visiting your house, and you better ‘forget’ these people were ever there… you should close your eyes and pretend nothing is wrong.
If you dont, something bad will happen to your family.
Your a Black Male, and you’re being blackmailed. You could call the cops, but what if the threats are true, could you live with yourself?
—-
In the story above, Vick is certainly not innocent… however he is far from the monster people are calling to slay.
All I can say now is; I hope that if people are ever accused of crimes, the treatment they get before their trial is better than the treatment they give other people.
July 19th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
Thats easily the most convoluted piece of bullshit I’ve read in months. He had options. Dogs were tortured. Dogs were killed. On his residence. One of the new stories said most fights are commonly held in fields, not private residences of millionaire football stars. The only way this couldve happened is if he was directly involved.
You’re only covering for him and making up bullshit backstories because you dont want to admit that you’ve been admiring a fucking douchebag.
July 19th, 2007 at 5:14 pm
[/quote]*Warning- this video does show the damage on the dog who was dragged behind the SUV. It truly is very sad.*
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/07/06/brown.dog.dragged.by.suv.wear
That link should work.[/quote]
Horrible… absolutely horrible.. that poor baby. Breaks every piece of my heart.
[quote post="1314"]Im not going to look, I’ll take your word that its a nasty piece of film… does the film however go into the motivation of the driver? Does it show him on camera at all, or does it just show the gore?[/quote]
You really should look, you might not be defending these people if you look at what is happening to these poor animals.
If that man didn’t do it on purpose why did he say he wasn’t going to take him to get help?
July 19th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Don’t you dare apologize Matt, you have every right to be outraged - it’s disgusting and putrid and I was shocked to find out how much it was rising in popularity again, simply put, heartbreaking.
I used to be afraid of pitbulls until being at the SPCA I got to see what wonderful and happy companions they can be if people don’t fuck them up.
A new low for the humanoids, the God of doggie heaven must be crying…
July 19th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
The whole quoting thing did not work to well…
July 19th, 2007 at 6:04 pm
The unfortunate thing now is that, since the crime was commited by a professional athelete, there will most likely be very little done towards punishing him.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:29 pm
I believe in innocent until proven guilty. But I also am with Matt on this one….Vick is responsible for what’s happening on his property, despite his finger pointing at relatives and trying to shuffle blame elsewhere. Figures.
It seems he had a reputation around the dog fighting community as being a “big man” who laid down a lot of money….he even had a nickname there. Doesn’t sound like innocent to me.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:34 pm
I don’t know geegeorge. This isn’t like Paris Hilton driving drunk. This is about animal abuse, and just about anyone with a pet or a heart is going to be nauseated by it. There are a lot of people out there who are taking this very seriously. Even if he doesn’t get prosecuted, I sincerely doubt that many of the companies that currently (unknowingly) fund his dog kennel by using him to endorse their products, will want to be associated with him. Granted, I don’t know a lot about American football, but the fact that nike pulled out is a good start.
July 19th, 2007 at 6:47 pm
i couldnt agree more, to think i respected Vick for being a team player and being a humble pro, just goes to show you anyone is capable of evil…i myself just bought a dog 3 months ago, and while i scold him and punish him for those things he does wrong, i don’t think a dog could be anymore spoiled…it racks my mind that someone could want to watch while a dog cries in pain as it dies, because of all the sounds of i have heard in my life, a dogs cry is the most heartbreaking and painful thing to hear, and any piece of shit that bets on that is dead in my mind…granted it is all speculation right now (we all remember the Duke Lacrosse case, i was quick to make assumptions there too) but this isn’t looking too good, and if he is convicted, God help him…a hell full of vicious dogs that you helped destroy, waiting to get back at you? sounds like fitting punishment if you ask me…
July 19th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
by the way, i encourage everyone to check out ASPCA.ORG it is a site for prevention of cruelty of animals of all kind…i just recently learned about it and i bought about 5 of their wristbands just to say i gave something..i know its not much, but when it comes to our animal friends, any little bit counts
http://www.aspca.org
July 19th, 2007 at 6:56 pm
I would hope the Atlanta Falcon fans would protest Vick’s involvement by not buying tickets to their football games unless he is removed from the team. Why give a gigantic paycheck to someone financing this type of activity.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:07 pm
wow, the first paragraph of that article was too much for me. i feel sick.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:33 pm
I have worked at an animal shelter for the past 3 years and know all too well what kind of treatment many animals recieve. Things that keep you up night after night, things you know will stay with you your whole life. There is no excuse, no reason to abuse any animal and yet it continues tro happen with very little consequence for those involved. It takes an incredible amount of time, patience and understanding to bring an animal back from an abusive past.And even then, the animal will never be “normal”. You see the pain and anguish in their eyes, as if at any moment they expect it to start all over again. Learning to trust unfamiliar people in unfamilair suroundings while being treated for any number of health concerns is hugely stressful for an animal. Many become too depressed, too scared that they don’t make it through. But for the many that do, you’ve made a difference. If for just that one dog, cat, rabbit, etc, it made a difference. The love they show speaks volumes. As difficlut a job it was to handle on an emotional level, I would not be the person I am today if I had walked away becaue it was too painful to take. I cried everyday, but I also smiled. The animals always had a way of putting life in perspective. I gained more strength and character in those 3 years(because of those animals) than I have in all my 25 years of life. All we can do is keep fighting for what we believe in. Make our voices heard until a change is made. Thank you Matt for putting this topic into discussion. I like many others greatly respect what you have to say and appreciate that you’re not afraid to give your opinion. You’re words may inspire someone to speak up for animal rights. So for that I thank you.
Everyone should also check out bestfriends.org
They are a wonderful animal sanctuary in Utah that does amazing work for all animals.
July 19th, 2007 at 7:41 pm
That’s so sad. Someone I work with is in an organization called Bad Rap, and she takes in foster pit bulls all the time and trains them, she says they’re actually really great dogs for pets unless people like this get to them. She’s seen a lot of dogs that have had to be put down because of the laws here and most of them could have been avoided if an owner hadn’t specifically trained the dog to be aggressive.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:08 pm
What a PIECE of SHIT! I, myself cannot watch those commercials for the OSPCA, or anything like that, too sad. But when I’ve made myself actually watch them it does more then enrages (and of course makes me cry). I can understand your anger Matt. Its disgusting! If I ever went into an animal shelter, I would have to adopt every animal in there (which of course isn’t possible)
That idot putting on the dog fights should be SHOT!! (and I don’t condone violence either)
July 19th, 2007 at 8:25 pm
When I heard this story I too was completely disgusted, there is not even a hint of a little bit of entertainment value in pitting two animals together in hopes that one (or maybe even both) will be killed. Often the losing dog gets drowned or destroyed in some other disgusting and undeserving fashion. I agree with you completely Matthew, I would love to see people like them thrown into the ring with those abused and conditioned to be vicious dogs, where do they get off thinking they have the right to destroy an innocent creatures life. It is absolutely disgusting, he should be at the very least kicked out of football and forced to pay millions in fines, it is unfortunate though, he probably wont have to pay that much and what he does end up having to pay likely wont hurt his wallet.
July 19th, 2007 at 8:35 pm
Dogs have evolved from being aggressive wolves in a tribal environment to loyal, honest and compassionate animals. It appears, however, that some people have found a way to profit by making them fight each other again.
BYOB by System is a great song by the way.
July 19th, 2007 at 9:04 pm
Apparently companies that previously paid Michael Vick to endorse their various products have simply let their contracts run out and not re-sign him. However, many of these contracts ended before the federal indictment (he’s had a fair amount of bad press on unrelated issues in the past year) so the true effect of his alleged crimes remains to be seen. I say alleged because, although it’s hard for any of us not to jump the gun, he is still innocent until proven guilty.
That being said it does please me to know that if he is guilty he will stand to lose a lot of money from lost endorsements, since odds are his celebrity status will get him off with a slap on the wrist or a simple posted bail.
I’d also like to point out the wonderful work done by my fellow members of the site that love animals. After reading Matt’s blog it really helped to realize that for every sick fuck that does something like that, there’s many more people like you and Mr. Good treating animals with love and respect.
July 19th, 2007 at 9:10 pm
I agree with everyone else, Matt. It’s absolutely sickening. I take it that picture is of one of the dogs involved in the story.
I would also like to make this observation in case it hasn’t already been made: We found out about this case of dog fighting because the person involved is famous. How many other dog fighting rings out there do we not find out because a famous person was not implicated in it? How widespread is this? I shudder to think.
July 19th, 2007 at 9:22 pm
It’s a sad realization that there are in fact many people out there that are capable of such violence, be it against an animal or a human.
As I typed this message, Lullaby for the New World Order was playing in the background. By some wonderful chance the only line that registered in my head was “if God he gave you a voice then use it”. I don’t think Matt wrote that line with this topic in mind, but it takes nothing away from its relevance. I would have to familiarize myself with the guidelines of punishment set out in the Criminal Code of Canada, but from what I currently understand animal cruelty laws are far too weak in terms of what can be done to “people” convicted for these offenses.
After someone (or myself) looks up the potential punishment our country currently holds for such crimes, it would be nice to see the outrage sparked in this particular blog used in a constructive way to make necessary changes to animal rights laws in this country.
July 19th, 2007 at 10:02 pm
can i start with a few questions???—what went wrong??? and what the fuck have we (humans) become??? seriously!!!
*i will preface with the fact that i am highly biased on this issue because i have dedicated the last 13 yrs of my life to the veterinary field (mainly specializing in cats but also worked with horses and dogs) not to mention that 5 of my closest, honest and unconditional friends are my 3 cats and 2 dogs. my 1 old lady K9 ANNA was adpoted at 10 yrs of age from a shelter and is now winding down at 15-16 yrs old :((( and i couldnt have asked for more from my preciuos old lady ;) i am actually hopeful that this story will breed an interest and drive more people to educate themselves about the atrocities of animal cruelty.
* to respond to “girl friday”- amazing that you brought up BEST FRIENDS animal sanctuary bcuz i live and work in las vegas NV at a feline specialty clinic that sees numerous cats that are adopted from this wonderful organizaion. funny thing- there is a recent yet tragic story regarding a feline sanctuary based out of Pahrump NV that my clinic used to rehabilitate critical cats for- anyway, long story short- the organization named F.L.O.C.K. (for the love of cat and kittens) was taken over by the owner of a Pet Cremation service in Pahrump- the woman in charge no longer asked for our help with the critical cats and we havent heard from FLOCK in months- well….. it was just taken over by animal control and given over to BEST FRIENDS animal sanctuary due to the vial condtions. The woman in pahrump who took over built a huge fence with barbed wire and wouldnt let volunteers in. bottom line- the authorities were appauled that this was called an animal sanctuary due to the amount of suffering going on- really too gruesome to go into- but the care of the over 400 cats was given to BEST FRIENDS. every cat i have met adopted out of BEST FRIENDS was in tip top shape!!! they truely care!
* in conclusion and in agreement with most of the responses so far… the unconditional love given by ANY creature is something we humans really need to harness and pledge to each other no matter how fucked up things get- we know the RIGHT from WRONG!!! all animals (as goes with the atrocities with children) are INNOCENT- many NEED us for survival . And for someone to methodically organize the death of another living creature for profit and/or entertainment-well… not sure there are enough obscene words in a row i can throw at that!!! i can only hope that the “sociopaths” that engage in this far too disturbing act get what they deserve at some point down the karma line- or what ever line you believe in.
PEACE
PS one of my dreams is to one day have a farm with lots o creature esp a bull -his name will be “FRIENDLY;)”
PSS coren- do you work for FOX news???- bcuz your responses usually piss me off like you do- the “devils advocate” thang get a little old- but i guess… its your right!!! and you sure know how to exercise it ;)
July 20th, 2007 at 12:09 am
dogs are only as good as their owners, and should their owners be evil being such as Michael Vick, they run the risk of leading a life such as that poor pitbull pictured above. And yes, the hatred and aggression is totally bred into these dogs- they are not born animals with the rage to attack other animals or humans without reason- they are trained that way. People should be ashamed of themselves if they’re going to blame everything on an innocent creature, when this kind of abuse is their own doing.
And yes, they should be thrown into these pits with the very dogs they breed. Or euthanized just like they would the animal should it one day turn on them “out of the blue”. Who knows what kind of methods they use to impliment this type of behavior in these poor creatures.
The dogs have an excuse, do we?
July 20th, 2007 at 2:26 am
I watched the movie “Amores Perros” a couple weeks ago, and it featured dog fighting in it. While the scenes were not real, it was really upsetting and difficult to watch. It is horrifying to know that dogs fighting exists, and is even legal in some countries. What kind person do you have to be to enjoy watching two animals viciously kill each other? I can’t even express how angry it makes me.
July 20th, 2007 at 2:30 am
In my experience, I have to agree with Flamingo- In my neighborhood here in Vancouver (Kits beach) any time I see a pitbull- it seems to be attached to a 22 year-old wanna be gangsta/badass/fuckstick. It reminds me of the vacuous fashion wannabe women that carry mini dogs as an accessory more than a pet. These Pit Bull owners probably wish they could carry a handgun here but instead try to intimidate others with a helpless animal instead.
I’ve also met a couple of Pitbulls that were lovely dogs… It all comes down to the owner eh?
Maybe there should be a 30 day background check on people who wish to own dogs!
July 20th, 2007 at 4:46 am
Rightly or wrongly, abuse to animals is almost the most offensive thing for me to see. It’s almost as bad as child abuse in my eyes. In both cases, it’s often something that is trusting and incapable of defending itself against someone else’s sick twisted desires. I love most animals, especially cats and dogs. I have a cat and I can’t imagine someone ever harming her or any other animal. They are so gentle and affectionate if you have brought them up with love.
Every time I hear about this kind of stuff, it makes me want to do the exact same thing to the person who abused the animal. I agree with Matt about tossing these idiot dog fighter watchers in with the dogs they so love to watch. I also think that idiotic and sadistic man who dragged the puppy behind the SUV should be treated with the exact same kind of punishment in turn for what he did. How the hell can someone be so far removed from another living creature that they can even think of doing something so awful?
Recently I heard in the news around here that someone had broken both front legs of a black lab puppy and left it in the ditch to die. Thankfully someone found it and took it to the vet where a lot of people donated the money needed to fix the puppies legs. Since then I believe the puppy has even been adopted by one of the families.
If I ever had to witness someone abusing an animal right in front of me… I’d be hard pressed not to seriously injure that person. I hope I never have to see it because something tells me I’ll end up in more trouble than the guy hurting the animal.
July 20th, 2007 at 6:17 am
[quote comment="20103"]People are outraged and rightly so.
But why do we hold cats and dogs up so high in our affections and other animals such as cows, pigs, chickens, rabbits, so low? How can one advocate for humane treatment of “pets” and at the same time go to the grocery store and buy meat from factory farms where animals are kept in unbelievably terrible conditions their entire lives? I see a lot of hypocrisy here.
There is such a thing as “humane” meat. But it involves some EFFORT, some THOUGHT and a bit more money to acquire. There are many inexpensive alternatives to meat if you can’t afford free-range, organic meats, such as beans and tofu.[/quote]
First I agree with you an the first part. I recently had a conversation with my meat-eater friends and the couldn’t come up woth a logical explanation other then “i dunno…product of our environments” If you have ever spent anytime with cows, pigs, goats etc… you would see that they are individuals with amazing personalities and capable of amazing amounts of joy and affection, not unlike your pets.
However that being said i completly disagree with your idea of “humane” meat. Meat is meat and an animal is an animal. “A lot of people don’t realise that the production of free range eggs still involves animal cruelty. For a start, half of all chicks are killed because they are males (and hence no good for laying eggs). Sadly, the females don’t fare much better, they still undergo the stress of transportation and slaughter when their egg laying declines. Just like hens in battery cages, free range hens may have the tip of their beak cut off to stop them from fighting. This is an agonising procedure which can leave the hen in pain for days.” (vegansociety.com) I suggest you do some research on just how ‘human’ free range and organic foods really are.
There is no reason to consumme meat or animal products when other options exist and the cost is comparable to the standard “meat and potatoes” diet.
Here are some excellent websites:
http://www.peta.org
http://www.vegansociety.com
http://www.veganoutreach.org/
http://www.goveg.com
July 20th, 2007 at 6:19 am
Holy spelling mistakes Batman!! Sorry Guys
July 20th, 2007 at 6:28 am
Yes, it all come down to a pit bull owner. I am an proud owner of a 4 month lab/American Staffordshire terrier (ok pit bull) mix who is one of the best pets I have ever had the pleasure of having and training. We also have a 1 year old Lab and the two love each other much….playing every chance they get.
It absolutely breaks my heart having to read these stories….the Michael Vick story hits a little close to home as the house in question in about 2 1/2 hours away from where we live.
What also breaks my heart is the misconceptions most people have of my 4 month old (granted, his pension to bark at anything that walks outside the house doesn’t help but he’s a puppy so…)…I have actually had a woman pick up her dog right in front of me and carry her dog around us and with a look of snotty disgust, went back into her house. While that’s one neighbor out of 20 who have dogs in our neighborhood that did that to Tucker, that’s one neighbor too many and just shows her ignorance about dogs and its ownership. These pet were once considered great family pets-don’t believe me-just wikipedia it….
So don’t be terrified of a pit bull walking down your street with his or her owner….
Just a proud aside: both our dogs graduated their training classes last night. File under never will happen but how cool would it be if a pit ever won a dog show? It’s my lofty goal as a means to change their image.
July 20th, 2007 at 7:30 am
It literally makes me want to vomit when I hear of people who dragged thier dog behind thier car, thrown them from a moving vehicle or just beat them for no reason. It just seems so gross to me that someone can beat a poor defenseless animal who has no voice whatsoever. Just imagine how these people will treat other human beings and especially children if they can’t even treat a helpless animal kindly. its very disgusting.
TREAT ME KINDLY
Treat me kindly, my beloved friend,
For no heart in all the world is more
rateful for kindness than the loving
heart of me.
Do not break my spirit with a stick,
For though I should lick your hand
between blows, your patience and
understanding will more quickly
teach me the things you would
have me learn.
Speak to me often, For your voice is
the world’s sweetest music, as you must
know by the fierce wagging of my tail
when your footsteps fall upon my ears.
Please take me inside when it is cold
and wet, For I am a domesticated
animal, no longer accustomed to the
bitter elements. I ask no greater glory
than the privilege of sitting at your
feet beside the hearth.
Keep my pan filled with water, for I
cannot tell you when I suffer thirst.
Feed me clean food that I may stay well,
to romp and play and do your bidding,
to walk by your side, and stand ready,
willing and able to protect you with
my life, should your life be in danger.
And, my friend, when I am very old, and
I no longer enjoy good health, hearing
and good sight, do not make heroic
efforts to keep me going.
I am not having fun. Please see that my
trusting life is taken gently. I shall
leave this earth knowing with the last
breath I drew, that my fate was always
safest in your hand.
— By Beth Norman Harris 1968 —
July 20th, 2007 at 7:43 am
I couldn’t agree more! I’ve been an animal lover all my life, I’ve had so many dogs, and I have 2 cats and a pitbull-boxer. And it kind of upsets me when these breeds get labeled as “Bully Breeds”, because my Pitbull, “Leeloo” is a sweetheart, but she does have that powerful side to her, because that’s how they are…but it’s nothing more than being playful.
Shame.
July 20th, 2007 at 7:55 am
[quote]PSS coren- do you work for FOX news???- bcuz your responses usually piss me off like you do- the “devils advocate” thang get a little old- but i guess… its your right!!! and you sure know how to exercise it ;)[/quote]
Do you often get pissed off when people disagree or refuse to submit to your opinion? It’s human nature to feel such emotions in those situations, but it doesn’t mean you should submit to your base insticts.
It’s also human nature to become enraged when we see helpless animals being used for sport, and it’s instictual to jump to conclusions and demand public executions w/o obtaining all the facts of a case.
What *I* am trying to be here is not a devil’s advocate, but a voice of reason. We do not know the facts of the case (as I have previously stated, the media lies & allows the lies of others to be broadcast for entertainment). As previously shown with the Duke Lacross case brought up by another poster, we should not immediately demand crucifiction based on a “jury by media.”
Really though, I shouldn’t bother. People on this forum have repeatedly shown via curse words, and name calling, non-sequiter arguments, and in this thread threats, that they do not want to listen to any other opinion but their own. People in this forum think with their hearts, and as we all know “the heart wants what the heart wants.” I am the definition of idiot for trying to convince people to think with their heads (not for my opinions, which is what the owner of this site has called me an idiot for).
Also the cries for torture, were they enacted for real, would not only “bring us down to their level,” but in fact make us worse people then the cruel dog handlers. It is one thing to be cruel to animals… it is quite another to be cruel to another human being (a true and much deeper sign of psychopathology).
Luckally, our “western’ justice system doesn’t work based on mob rule.
July 20th, 2007 at 7:55 am
One more thing, abuse isn’t just beating an animal, its leaving them out in the sweltering heat without water, rollerblading the the sweltering heat and making your dog run the whole way and not realizing that maybe he needs a DRINK or wants to have a break, thats abuse too. Like animals can’t speak up for themselves.
A lot of people don’t have any common sense when it comes to animals. DONT get a dog if your just gonna leave it locked up outside and never spend time with it, thats just torture. Use your brain if your going to get an animal. I see too many animals in cages in backyards and unless your taking them for big walks and playing with them, whats the point on having one just to say you do?? Please.
I think about how I treat my animals Louie (lab) and Reggie (cat) and I can’t imagine how anyone could treat these animals BIG or SMALL, so horribly.
If you ever watch animal cops or any show like that just mulitply what you see by 1000000000 and know that every second an animal is being abused somewhere for no good reason, and if for some reason an animal has attacked be sure to know that it is probably because the owner was abusive or teased the animal.
Ok i could go on and on.
July 20th, 2007 at 8:09 am
Speaking of the dog being dragged behind a car… here is a news report of a human being undergoing the same circumstances. Shall we attribute malice to the driver of the human case as well (we can certainly attribute fault, but not motive)?
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/11/28/kanata-cab-051128.html
Perhaps we should remember Hanlon’s razor : “Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.”
On another note, did any of you honestly feel the same sympathy for the young woman who lost her life in the cbc article as for the dog dragging case?
July 20th, 2007 at 8:25 am
Back to the pit owner thing. My sister has a pitbull that was rescued when she was a flea bitten puppy. Her husband adopted her because she was so tiny and had been left in the street and found by some passerby. I admit, when I first met her I was TERRIFIED. Over the past couple of years though, she has proven to be the most loving, docile and tender companion anyone could ever ask for. She is aware of her size and is so careful when playing with Talyn (who is really tiny comparatively). Talyn sometimes forgets that he is so small and will be antagonistic, but my sister’s dog has NEVER become aggressive or violent. She barks and bares her teeth - maybe even growls at Talyn - but its mostly just to get him to leave her alone. She is a prime example of how a breed itself isnt violent, but the treatment and conditioning that can make a dog violent. With the right stimuli even the smallest of dogs can be vicious…..
July 20th, 2007 at 8:39 am
[quote comment="20211"]Speaking of the dog being dragged behind a car… here is a news report of a human being undergoing the same circumstances. Shall we attribute malice to the driver of the human case as well (we can certainly attribute fault, but not motive)?
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/11/28/kanata-cab-051128.html
Perhaps we should remember Hanlon’s razor : “Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.”
On another note, did any of you honestly feel the same sympathy for the young woman who lost her life in the cbc article as for the dog dragging case?[/quote]
Are you saying that a person dragging an animal behind a car is just stupidity? If so I disagree wholeheartedly. Stupidity is thinking you can drive your little smart car through a sand dune, thats stupid, putting a dog leash on a dog and then hooking it up to a car and then driving down a highway knowing the dog is being dragged is malice without a doubt. Dragging a person behind a car is a whole other discussion, we are discussing animal cruelty here.
July 20th, 2007 at 8:50 am
Last night on the news I was also sickened by the story on Michael Vick. I actuallly get so upset by animal abuse stories, I could crawl out of my skin. There is nothing more horrific for me. I don’t know what we can do to stop this hideous dog abuse. What the hell is going on with laws - what can be done?? Do we start with Charles Bronson type justice? Not a bad idea.
I’m so, so, so, grateful for hearing that you feel strong about this issue. I can’t put it into words, but by the number of lengthy comments, we are not alone and I hope that you can be a point of light for this issue. I was raised in a large extended family that only had crazy love for all the furry friends. Our duty as human beings is to sheppard, care, nuture and protect animals. You’ll burn in hell for sure if you cause harm to an innocent animal.
I wish I had that Michael Vick’s address. My dad and brothers would pay him a visit. After those Animal-loving Irishmen came over, he’d only wish he could be electricuted. My spelling is off because I’m just so f**ing mad about this.
July 20th, 2007 at 8:50 am
[quote]Are you saying that a person dragging an animal behind a car is just stupidity?[/quote]
It could be, you dont know, I dont know… therefore lets repeat the adage; Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
The circumstances between the human being dragged and the dog being dragged are the same, yet people attribute the dog’s case to cruelty, and human’s case to accident. Why is that exactly? (rhetorical question). It seems hypocritical to call one person malevolent because their one case includes a dog when do not know the motiviation.
Its a whole different issue if you can prove motive however. Can you prove motive?
July 20th, 2007 at 9:00 am
HAHA[quote comment="20221"][quote]Are you saying that a person dragging an animal behind a car is just stupidity?[/quote]
It could be, you dont know, I dont know… therefore lets repeat the adage; Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
The circumstances between the human being dragged and the dog being dragged are the same, yet people attribute the dog’s case to cruelty, and human’s case to accident. Why is that exactly? (rhetorical question). It seems hypocritical to call one person malevolent because their one case includes a dog when do not know the motiviation.
Its a whole different issue if you can prove motive however. Can you prove motive?[/quote]
HAHA ok.. why are you looking to deep into this issue? Why can’t you just admit this guy had malice when he dragged the dog? How else can you look at it? why are you trying to kid yourself and talk yourself out of him having malice behind his act? and please don’t repeat the adage. I get it. I wouldn’t say dragging a person is an accident, the person who did the dragging of the person is sick and twisted AND SO is the one who dragged the dog. Anyone who does something such as dragging anything living behind a car is sick, twisted and demented, lets not make excuses for the dog dragger saying he’s just stupid.
July 20th, 2007 at 9:07 am
Anyways the issue here is animal cruelty. Period.
July 20th, 2007 at 9:33 am
[quote]why are you looking to deep into this issue?[/quote]
Im trying to show people that they rush to judgement. I am using this issue as an example.
[quote]Why can’t you just admit this guy had malice when he dragged the dog?[/quote]
Because he might not have had any. He could just be some fool who forgot his dog was tied to his bumper, do you have proof he intentionally meant to hurt the dog? Either way he is still responsible for the dogs injuries, but he might not have meant to hurt the dog. If I attribute malice and *put a hate on* to someone who doesn’t deserve it, it makes me a bad person.
[quote]I wouldn’t say dragging a person is an accident[/quote]
Your saying the cabbie is a murderer and intentionally did this? Well I guess he could be, as I have previously stated, the media lies… they could be protecting the cabbie. Its a bold step to call an unconvicted man a murderer. I get the impression that you dont believe ANYTHING is an accident. That’s an alien way of thinking to me.
Wow… I am floored that you attribute malice to every undesirable act.
July 20th, 2007 at 9:43 am
[quote comment="20223"]Anyways the issue here is animal cruelty. Period.[/quote]
If that were true, everyone would post “Animal cruelty is bad… mmkay,” they wouldn’t mention names, and they wouldn’t judge people.
Unfortunately, thats not the only issue here… people are judging people (an issue), and people are wanting vengeance (an issue).
Yes Animal Cruelty is bad. Only bad people do bad things to animals on purpose.
July 20th, 2007 at 9:50 am
Coren,
I think it’s important that you are bringing your perspective to the table and are taking the time to explain your position. I know it can be hard to be patient and reply clearly to this kind of thread of comments.
Every side of the table deserves to be examined and discussed.
July 20th, 2007 at 10:41 am
coren-
A “rush to judgement” would be hearing rumours swilling around and then basing things on that. The man has been indicted, which means that enough evidence has been brought against him to warrant an arrest and charges being laid. Dog carcasses (17 I believe) were found buried all over his property and 7 dead dogs in the place. People have come forward to say he was an avid participant, enough so that he had a “nickname” in the dog fighting community and a reputation as a “big man” there. They’ve also described his torture techniques. Yes, they could be fabricating this stuff…but the evidence is there to prove that he was, in some way, involved. At the very least, his property was being used for this very sick entertainment. Does it let him off the hook if he “didn’t know”? Nope - he should be aware of the activity that’s taking place on his property. It’s his responsibility to do so.
So yes, a trial is in order and he isn’t guilty (yet). But it appears that he’s got some explaining to do and even if it were his relatives involved and not him (as he’s claimed)….the bottom line is he still owns some responsibility here. And I highly doubt that he didn’t know/participate in this.
I understand your respecting of innocent until proven guilty in all of this…but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that the man is obviously involved in something that we should not be defending.
July 20th, 2007 at 10:54 am
Well put Deb.
Exactly what needed to be said.
July 20th, 2007 at 10:57 am
[quote comment="20224"][quote]why are you looking to deep into this issue?[/quote]
Im trying to show people that they rush to judgement. I am using this issue as an example.
[quote]Why can’t you just admit this guy had malice when he dragged the dog?[/quote]
Because he might not have had any. He could just be some fool who forgot his dog was tied to his bumper, do you have proof he intentionally meant to hurt the dog? Either way he is still responsible for the dogs injuries, but he might not have meant to hurt the dog. If I attribute malice and *put a hate on* to someone who doesn’t deserve it, it makes me a bad person.
[quote]I wouldn’t say dragging a person is an accident[/quote]
Your saying the cabbie is a murderer and intentionally did this? Well I guess he could be, as I have previously stated, the media lies… they could be protecting the cabbie. Its a bold step to call an unconvicted man a murderer. I get the impression that you dont believe ANYTHING is an accident. That’s an alien way of thinking to me.
Wow… I am floored that you attribute malice to every undesirable act.[/quote]
Didn’t say anything of the sort. Are you in the media because you are pretty good at putting words in peoples mouths.
K enough with reacting to every comment I put up, you know how I feel. Yes if someone forgot their dog was tied to the back of the truck and drove off ofcourse I would not accuse him of intentionally doing it, I’m not a moron. Please stop picking at everything I say.
Thanks