Comments on: Collateral Damage http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/ The home of musician Matthew Good Fri, 09 Jan 2009 05:18:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: vika http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57692 vika Sat, 05 Jul 2008 18:00:42 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57692 [quote comment="57688"][quote comment="57682"]always listening: so i suppose many of the refugees from the northern province moving in to iran are on paid holiday?[/quote] You know, the whole civilian population should have just taken the opportunity of war for an extended vacay somewhere; I hear Prague is nice. Or, even better, why didn't they all just move en masse to the Land of the Free, Home of the Brave itself?[/quote] No, Iran is excellent, how much do you get to "move in" ? I'd give up my homeland in a heartbeat... [quote comment="57688"][quote comment="57682"]always listening: so i suppose many of the refugees from the northern province moving in to iran are on paid holiday?[/quote]
You know, the whole civilian population should have just taken the opportunity of war for an extended vacay somewhere; I hear Prague is nice. Or, even better, why didn’t they all just move en masse to the Land of the Free, Home of the Brave itself?[/quote]

No, Iran is excellent, how much do you get to “move in” ? I’d give up my homeland in a heartbeat…

]]> By: KET http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57688 KET Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:13:29 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57688 [quote comment="57682"]always listening: so i suppose many of the refugees from the northern province moving in to iran are on paid holiday?[/quote] You know, the whole civilian population should have just taken the opportunity of war for an extended vacay somewhere; I hear Prague is nice. Or, even better, why didn't they all just move en masse to the Land of the Free, Home of the Brave itself? [quote comment="57682"]always listening: so i suppose many of the refugees from the northern province moving in to iran are on paid holiday?[/quote]
You know, the whole civilian population should have just taken the opportunity of war for an extended vacay somewhere; I hear Prague is nice. Or, even better, why didn’t they all just move en masse to the Land of the Free, Home of the Brave itself?

]]> By: redbaron http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57687 redbaron Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:04:03 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57687 OK so I discussed this issue with my friends and they all think I'm a moron also and have something seriously wrong with my brain. I give you all permission bitch slap me. I'm just trying to grasp why someone could be so attached to their house, land and material possessions they would risk their families life for it, regardless of how rich or poor they are or if the situation they were forced into is justified or not. You can always replace your house not your life. I'm a wuss I'll admit it, and common sense would tell me if I saw tanks and men with guns rolling down my street and their was non-stop bombing and fire fights for years I'd get the fuck out of Dodge. And 'grimm' I agree with your comment. Just a completely f'd up situation that I wouldn't stick around to witness. OK so I discussed this issue with my friends and they all think I’m a moron also and have something seriously wrong with my brain. I give you all permission bitch slap me. I’m just trying to grasp why someone could be so attached to their house, land and material possessions they would risk their families life for it, regardless of how rich or poor they are or if the situation they were forced into is justified or not. You can always replace your house not your life. I’m a wuss I’ll admit it, and common sense would tell me if I saw tanks and men with guns rolling down my street and their was non-stop bombing and fire fights for years I’d get the fuck out of Dodge. And ‘grimm’ I agree with your comment. Just a completely f’d up situation that I wouldn’t stick around to witness.

]]> By: Patrick Pitt http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57682 Patrick Pitt Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:23:08 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57682 always listening: so i suppose many of the refugees from the northern province moving in to iran are on paid holiday? always listening: so i suppose many of the refugees from the northern province moving in to iran are on paid holiday?

]]> By: Robert R http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57680 Robert R Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:10:25 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57680 [quote comment="57664"]Just out of curiosity, Mr. Good "Frankly, when most think about Afghanistan all that comes to mind is al-Qaeda, 9/11, and an overwhelming sense for revenge" Who are the "most" and how do you know what comes to their mind? It seems to me that, at the moment not many even stop to think about Iraq or Afghanistan anymore.[/quote]"" Once again vika, you ask a good question. [quote comment="57664"]Just out of curiosity, Mr. Good

“Frankly, when most think about Afghanistan all that comes to mind is al-Qaeda, 9/11, and an overwhelming sense for revenge”

Who are the “most” and how do you know what comes to their mind?

It seems to me that, at the moment not many even stop to think about Iraq or Afghanistan anymore.[/quote]“”

Once again vika, you ask a good question.

]]> By: paulonious http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57674 paulonious Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:07:10 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57674 quoting good sir Good: Frankly, when most think about Afghanistan all that comes to mind is al-Qaeda, 9/11, and an overwhelming sense for revenge. I personally don't know how you, Matt, can claim to know what most think about this situation. It personally pains me knowing all of these senseless loss of lives going on at the hands of North Americans/Britons, so I am definitely not part of the "most" you speak of. And I personally know many people that think the same way as me. Maybe I'm just a naive optimist, but I prefer to think that many others like me (and you) exist in the world than you assume. And redbaron, I'm sorry, but that statement is just, to use a word I rarely use being as politically incorrect as it is, is retarded. What's your next argument? That women who wear short skirts deserve to be raped? Come on, buddy, get some sense. quoting good sir Good: Frankly, when most think about Afghanistan all that comes to mind is al-Qaeda, 9/11, and an overwhelming sense for revenge.

I personally don’t know how you, Matt, can claim to know what most think about this situation. It personally pains me knowing all of these senseless loss of lives going on at the hands of North Americans/Britons, so I am definitely not part of the “most” you speak of. And I personally know many people that think the same way as me.

Maybe I’m just a naive optimist, but I prefer to think that many others like me (and you) exist in the world than you assume.

And redbaron, I’m sorry, but that statement is just, to use a word I rarely use being as politically incorrect as it is, is retarded. What’s your next argument? That women who wear short skirts deserve to be raped? Come on, buddy, get some sense.

]]> By: always listening http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57669 always listening Sat, 05 Jul 2008 03:00:55 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57669 Sorry, the first paragraph is supposed to be a quote from redbaron - I'll figure it out for next time. John Sorry, the first paragraph is supposed to be a quote from redbaron - I’ll figure it out for next time.

John

]]> By: always listening http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57668 always listening Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:55:59 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57668 [quote comment="57631"]On one side I feel sorry for those people who lost their lives but on the other you have to wonder why they are still living in a military occupied area where this sort of violence and killing takes place. Common sense would tell you if a foreign country's military occupied my city I'd leave immediately! Then the argument is that they have nowhere to go or they shouldn't have to leave. Bullshit you want to live or are you on a death wish? It's not like these people can just pack up their Tahoes and head east on Hwy 1 to their lake cottage... [quote comment="57631"]On one side I feel sorry for those people who lost their lives but on the other you have to wonder why they are still living in a military occupied area where this sort of violence and killing takes place. Common sense would tell you if a foreign country’s military occupied my city I’d leave immediately! Then the argument is that they have nowhere to go or they shouldn’t have to leave. Bullshit you want to live or are you on a death wish?

It’s not like these people can just pack up their Tahoes and head east on Hwy 1 to their lake cottage…

]]> By: Patrick Pitt http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57665 Patrick Pitt Sat, 05 Jul 2008 02:06:00 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57665 someone in the FSCC fucked up. someone in the FSCC fucked up.

]]> By: vika http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57664 vika Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:29:21 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57664 Just out of curiosity, Mr. Good "Frankly, when most think about Afghanistan all that comes to mind is al-Qaeda, 9/11, and an overwhelming sense for revenge" Who are the "most" and how do you know what comes to their mind? It seems to me that, at the moment not many even stop to think about Iraq or Afghanistan anymore. Just out of curiosity, Mr. Good

“Frankly, when most think about Afghanistan all that comes to mind is al-Qaeda, 9/11, and an overwhelming sense for revenge”

Who are the “most” and how do you know what comes to their mind?

It seems to me that, at the moment not many even stop to think about Iraq or Afghanistan anymore.

]]> By: lost_4_words http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57663 lost_4_words Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:20:05 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57663 The United States government needs to just give it up already. Sorry, but they lost big time. For anyone now to just think of 9/11, Al-Qeada or revenge when hearing about Afghanistan is just plain ignorance on their behalf. It's sad to think that that's the world we live in today, but it's reality. What ever happened to it's a small world after all? Oh yeah, WAR. The United States government needs to just give it up already. Sorry, but they lost big time. For anyone now to just think of 9/11, Al-Qeada or revenge when hearing about Afghanistan is just plain ignorance on their behalf. It’s sad to think that that’s the world we live in today, but it’s reality. What ever happened to it’s a small world after all? Oh yeah, WAR.

]]> By: Deborah http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57658 Deborah Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:42:26 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57658 Well spoken & touching. especially "By than who will care?" :( Well spoken & touching.

especially “By than who will care?”

:(

]]> By: vika http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57654 vika Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:09:58 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57654 It is a nice suggestion - leave your home or suffer the consequence. Afghan people did not ask for foreign forces to be there. They did not ask for the "democracy" to be brought to them. I am sure that they certainly did not expect that when they would comply with all the demands of foreign powers and actually leave their homes to supposedly be safe they will actually be written off as collateral damage. Think about this, Redbaron, during WWII many people had a choice to evacuate before German troops entered their towns but they did not want to leave their family houses, their land, behind, to be overtaken by foreign, enemy, power. They wanted to stay to at least be a witness to what was happening. It is a nice suggestion - leave your home or suffer the consequence. Afghan people did not ask for foreign forces to be there. They did not ask for the “democracy” to be brought to them. I am sure that they certainly did not expect that when they would comply with all the demands of foreign powers and actually leave their homes to supposedly be safe they will actually be written off as collateral damage.

Think about this, Redbaron, during WWII many people had a choice to evacuate before German troops entered their towns but they did not want to leave their family houses, their land, behind, to be overtaken by foreign, enemy, power. They wanted to stay to at least be a witness to what was happening.

]]> By: K-tina http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57649 K-tina Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:30:12 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57649 Dito. Dito.

]]> By: helz http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57648 helz Fri, 04 Jul 2008 23:25:07 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57648 [quote comment="57631"]On one side I feel sorry for those people who lost their lives but on the other you have to wonder why they are still living in a military occupied area where this sort of violence and killing takes place. Common sense would tell you if a foreign country's military occupied my city I'd leave immediately! Then the argument is that they have nowhere to go or they shouldn't have to leave. Bullshit you want to live or are you on a death wish? The cowards that the US are seeking hide amongst women and children solely for the reason that its harder to capture them. Should we be in Afghanistan? It's hard to say. It's a double edge sword. I don't like war, I don't condone it and I would never sign up for that shit. On the other hand I think many other people in other countries will stop at nothing to kill and destroy anything associated with the US because they are envious of our freedoms and culture and hate the religions we practice. Therefore if we didn't defend ourselves against other countries what would happen? American civilians would be the collateral damage. Happy Fourth of July![/quote] i can't believe these comments are actually presented seriously. [quote comment="57631"]On one side I feel sorry for those people who lost their lives but on the other you have to wonder why they are still living in a military occupied area where this sort of violence and killing takes place. Common sense would tell you if a foreign country’s military occupied my city I’d leave immediately! Then the argument is that they have nowhere to go or they shouldn’t have to leave. Bullshit you want to live or are you on a death wish? The cowards that the US are seeking hide amongst women and children solely for the reason that its harder to capture them. Should we be in Afghanistan? It’s hard to say. It’s a double edge sword. I don’t like war, I don’t condone it and I would never sign up for that shit. On the other hand I think many other people in other countries will stop at nothing to kill and destroy anything associated with the US because they are envious of our freedoms and culture and hate the religions we practice. Therefore if we didn’t defend ourselves against other countries what would happen? American civilians would be the collateral damage. Happy Fourth of July![/quote]

i can’t believe these comments are actually presented seriously.

]]> By: seriousbusiness http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57640 seriousbusiness Fri, 04 Jul 2008 21:01:22 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57640 It is only a matter of time before the US has to pull out from public pressure, an (amazingly enough) overstretched military, or more probably from intensifying insurgency. The Soviets also poured huge amounts of public resources into obliterating Afghan resistance, all to no avail. Their puppet government was, much like today's, steeped in self-interests and deeply unpopular (athiest-communists in a deeply traditional and religious country). The US occupation is seen by many as a Christian effort and is also notoriously self-interested. The religious nature of the conflict, making it much more dangerous than many suppose, has been downplayed by many, in my opinion. NATO even had the audacity to ask Russia for support one time, as I think you posted. Historical understanding is clearly not a forté of the occupation. It is only a matter of time before the US has to pull out from public pressure, an (amazingly enough) overstretched military, or more probably from intensifying insurgency.

The Soviets also poured huge amounts of public resources into obliterating Afghan resistance, all to no avail. Their puppet government was, much like today’s, steeped in self-interests and deeply unpopular (athiest-communists in a deeply traditional and religious country). The US occupation is seen by many as a Christian effort and is also notoriously self-interested. The religious nature of the conflict, making it much more dangerous than many suppose, has been downplayed by many, in my opinion. NATO even had the audacity to ask Russia for support one time, as I think you posted. Historical understanding is clearly not a forté of the occupation.

]]> By: penguinwings http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57636 penguinwings Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:25:54 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57636 Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity!! Bombing for peace is like fucking for virginity!!

]]> By: KET http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57635 KET Fri, 04 Jul 2008 20:17:50 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57635 [quote comment="57631"]On one side I feel sorry for those people who lost their lives but on the other you have to wonder why they are still living in a military occupied area where this sort of violence and killing takes place. Common sense would tell you if a foreign country's military occupied my city I'd leave immediately! Then the argument is that they have nowhere to go or they shouldn't have to leave. Bullshit you want to live or are you on a death wish? [/quote] This sounds dangerously close to blaming the victims for their own deaths because of where they happen to live. By that logic, every civilian killed in Afghanistan (or Iraq for that matter) is a case of "oh well, too bad, you should have known better than to hang around here." This war came to THEM; my mind is having a seriously difficult time comprehending how they can be faulted in any way here. [quote comment="57631"]On one side I feel sorry for those people who lost their lives but on the other you have to wonder why they are still living in a military occupied area where this sort of violence and killing takes place. Common sense would tell you if a foreign country’s military occupied my city I’d leave immediately! Then the argument is that they have nowhere to go or they shouldn’t have to leave. Bullshit you want to live or are you on a death wish? [/quote]
This sounds dangerously close to blaming the victims for their own deaths because of where they happen to live. By that logic, every civilian killed in Afghanistan (or Iraq for that matter) is a case of “oh well, too bad, you should have known better than to hang around here.” This war came to THEM; my mind is having a seriously difficult time comprehending how they can be faulted in any way here.

]]> By: Tony Shucraft http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57633 Tony Shucraft Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:12:33 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57633 Happy Independence day to my fellow US citizens, just no that innocent people that has nothing to with terrorism are being killed for the illusion that we are safe to shoot off fireworks(even at each other) Happy Independence day to my fellow US citizens, just no that innocent people that has nothing to with terrorism are being killed for the illusion that we are safe to shoot off fireworks(even at each other)

]]> By: grimm http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/07/collateral-damage/comment-page-1/#comment-57632 grimm Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:09:45 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=2710#comment-57632 [quote comment="57631"]Then the argument is that they have nowhere to go or they shouldn't have to leave. Bullshit you want to live or are you on a death wish? The cowards that the US are seeking hide amongst women and children solely for the reason that its harder to capture them. [/quote] You just explained why these people won't leave. This war is not about territory, it's about killing one another. Ideally, if everyone left a city filled with insurgents and fighting you can rest assured that the insurgents would leave considering the US would bomb the hell out of the city knowing their would be no collateral damage of the human kinda, aside of course their enemies. So long as their are insurgents using innocents as shields, there's really no safe place to be. [quote comment="57631"]Then the argument is that they have nowhere to go or they shouldn’t have to leave. Bullshit you want to live or are you on a death wish? The cowards that the US are seeking hide amongst women and children solely for the reason that its harder to capture them. [/quote]

You just explained why these people won’t leave. This war is not about territory, it’s about killing one another. Ideally, if everyone left a city filled with insurgents and fighting you can rest assured that the insurgents would leave considering the US would bomb the hell out of the city knowing their would be no collateral damage of the human kinda, aside of course their enemies. So long as their are insurgents using innocents as shields, there’s really no safe place to be.

]]>