Comments on: Political White Noise http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/ The home of musician Matthew Good Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:31:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: KET http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-64126 KET Sat, 06 Sep 2008 22:52:15 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-64126 [quote comment="64113"]Do you know the people, or have meet any the people who post here?[/quote] I know two but, as for the others, know absolutely nothing about them... which is why I would not dream of speaking about their education (or lack thereof). [quote comment="64113"]Do you know the people, or have meet any the people who post here?[/quote]
I know two but, as for the others, know absolutely nothing about them… which is why I would not dream of speaking about their education (or lack thereof).

]]> By: niccolom http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-64113 niccolom Sat, 06 Sep 2008 21:06:03 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-64113 I guess its all a matter of interpretation. I think Mr. Good disparaged US veterans with his statement, while you think I disparaged commentators here about their education. We pretty well agree, to disagree (I don agree with you that to a certain extent the affluent, powerful or privileged do not normally fight). As for meeting any of the commentators, I don't know since no one uses their real names, nor where they reside. But then I can say the same thing about yourself. Do you know the people, or have meet any the people who post here? I guess its all a matter of interpretation. I think Mr. Good disparaged US veterans with his statement, while you think I disparaged commentators here about their education. We pretty well agree, to disagree (I don agree with you that to a certain extent the affluent, powerful or privileged do not normally fight). As for meeting any of the commentators, I don’t know since no one uses their real names, nor where they reside. But then I can say the same thing about yourself. Do you know the people, or have meet any the people who post here?

]]> By: KET http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-64041 KET Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:12:35 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-64041 [quote comment="64020"] Hey yourself! For one thing I don't take Mr. Goods statement as being generalized. To me it was very specific; he was saying that Vietnam and Iraqi veterans are a bunch of losers. As for my statement, again, It is based on actually working with various US military personnel over a 31 year period in the Canadian military. Now my question to you, KET, is how many Vietnam/Iraqi/Afghan (US) veterans have you met?[/quote] "Generalized" as in he was making a general statement about those who fought in that war. I am not interested in defending or refuting that statement. (Having said that, I don't believe he at all implied that they were "a bunch of losers", though I suppose that is a question of how you interpret his statement-- I took it more as an observation that those fighting were not typically the affluent, the powerful or the privileged). I am merely pointing out that, in defending veterans and those currently serving, you managed to disparage the members of this board and seemingly do not even realize that you have done so. You really have no basis for making any comments with regards to the quality or quantity of our collective education. How many of us have you met? [quote comment="64020"]
Hey yourself! For one thing I don’t take Mr. Goods statement as being generalized. To me it was very specific; he was saying that Vietnam and Iraqi veterans are a bunch of losers. As for my statement, again, It is based on actually working with various US military personnel over a 31 year period in the Canadian military. Now my question to you, KET, is how many Vietnam/Iraqi/Afghan (US) veterans have you met?[/quote]
“Generalized” as in he was making a general statement about those who fought in that war. I am not interested in defending or refuting that statement. (Having said that, I don’t believe he at all implied that they were “a bunch of losers”, though I suppose that is a question of how you interpret his statement– I took it more as an observation that those fighting were not typically the affluent, the powerful or the privileged). I am merely pointing out that, in defending veterans and those currently serving, you managed to disparage the members of this board and seemingly do not even realize that you have done so. You really have no basis for making any comments with regards to the quality or quantity of our collective education. How many of us have you met?

]]> By: niccolom http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-64020 niccolom Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:10:51 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-64020 [quote comment="63930"][quote comment="63927"] Remember that during the Vietnam War conscription was in place and many people from all walks of life were dragged into the war, including some with criminal records, however, <b>to label the majority of Vietnam veterans as the "dregs of society" is insulting.</b> That goes doubly for the present members of the US military serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. The US military personnel that I might, and served with, while in the Canadian military were well trained and highly educated. In fact, if you looked at the stats you would probably find that<b> the majority of the US servicemen and women serving overseas are probably better educated than the majority of posters on this board.</b> [/quote] And: hey! Don't refute what you deem to be one generalized, insulting statement with another of your own.[/quote] Hey yourself! For one thing I don't take Mr. Goods statement as being generalized. To me it was very specific; he was saying that Vietnam and Iraqi veterans are a bunch of losers. As for my statement, again, It is based on actually working with various US military personnel over a 31 year period in the Canadian military. Now my question to you, KET, is how many Vietnam/Iraqi/Afghan (US) veterans have you met? [quote comment="63930"][quote comment="63927"]
Remember that during the Vietnam War conscription was in place and many people from all walks of life were dragged into the war, including some with criminal records, however, to label the majority of Vietnam veterans as the “dregs of society” is insulting. That goes doubly for the present members of the US military serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. The US military personnel that I might, and served with, while in the Canadian military were well trained and highly educated. In fact, if you looked at the stats you would probably find that the majority of the US servicemen and women serving overseas are probably better educated than the majority of posters on this board.
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And: hey! Don’t refute what you deem to be one generalized, insulting statement with another of your own.[/quote]

Hey yourself! For one thing I don’t take Mr. Goods statement as being generalized. To me it was very specific; he was saying that Vietnam and Iraqi veterans are a bunch of losers. As for my statement, again, It is based on actually working with various US military personnel over a 31 year period in the Canadian military. Now my question to you, KET, is how many Vietnam/Iraqi/Afghan (US) veterans have you met?

]]> By: niccolom http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-64017 niccolom Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:58:01 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-64017 [quote comment="63929"][quote comment="63927"]BTW, I'm still waiting for the URL for the info you had posted in your article about the number of US personnel involved in criminal activity.[/quote] Um. Comment 6.[/quote] KET (and MATTHEW) Thanks. I was actually looking for an URL not a hyperlink. Time to get new eyeglasses. [quote comment="63929"][quote comment="63927"]BTW, I’m still waiting for the URL for the info you had posted in your article about the number of US personnel involved in criminal activity.[/quote]

Um. Comment 6.[/quote]

KET (and MATTHEW)

Thanks. I was actually looking for an URL not a hyperlink. Time to get new eyeglasses.

]]> By: PharmingForDissidence http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-63955 PharmingForDissidence Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:02:54 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-63955 [quote comment="63947"]I don't recall it being in the film - sure you are right though - it was however part of a conversation that Pop and Mrs. Guth had. Mr. Guth also commented, when sitting beside Pop (I think in Germany) when this punk rocker with a mohawk and multiple piercings (chain form ear to nose) walked by "Jesus ....she looks like she fell into my tackle box". Imagine how much the place has changed in 60 years. Pop said they had moments on the trip where the veterans that went along were clearly overwhelmed by the memories brought up by the surroundings. He recalled on of the guys recounting a story about shooting someone through a hedgerow and wondering, before he found the dead German, if he had not accidentally shot one of his own men. However, he said the old guys beemed when the Dutch girls came out to greet them - they are still considered heroes there and very highly regarded.[/quote] As they should be [quote comment="63947"]I don’t recall it being in the film - sure you are right though - it was however part of a conversation that Pop and Mrs. Guth had. Mr. Guth also commented, when sitting beside Pop (I think in Germany) when this punk rocker with a mohawk and multiple piercings (chain form ear to nose) walked by “Jesus ….she looks like she fell into my tackle box”. Imagine how much the place has changed in 60 years. Pop said they had moments on the trip where the veterans that went along were clearly overwhelmed by the memories brought up by the surroundings. He recalled on of the guys recounting a story about shooting someone through a hedgerow and wondering, before he found the dead German, if he had not accidentally shot one of his own men. However, he said the old guys beemed when the Dutch girls came out to greet them - they are still considered heroes there and very highly regarded.[/quote]

As they should be

]]> By: Brian Smart http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-63947 Brian Smart Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:49:46 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-63947 I don't recall it being in the film - sure you are right though - it was however part of a conversation that Pop and Mrs. Guth had. Mr. Guth also commented, when sitting beside Pop (I think in Germany) when this punk rocker with a mohawk and multiple piercings (chain form ear to nose) walked by "Jesus ....she looks like she fell into my tackle box". Imagine how much the place has changed in 60 years. Pop said they had moments on the trip where the veterans that went along were clearly overwhelmed by the memories brought up by the surroundings. He recalled on of the guys recounting a story about shooting someone through a hedgerow and wondering, before he found the dead German, if he had not accidentally shot one of his own men. However, he said the old guys beemed when the Dutch girls came out to greet them - they are still considered heroes there and very highly regarded. I don’t recall it being in the film - sure you are right though - it was however part of a conversation that Pop and Mrs. Guth had. Mr. Guth also commented, when sitting beside Pop (I think in Germany) when this punk rocker with a mohawk and multiple piercings (chain form ear to nose) walked by “Jesus ….she looks like she fell into my tackle box”. Imagine how much the place has changed in 60 years. Pop said they had moments on the trip where the veterans that went along were clearly overwhelmed by the memories brought up by the surroundings. He recalled on of the guys recounting a story about shooting someone through a hedgerow and wondering, before he found the dead German, if he had not accidentally shot one of his own men. However, he said the old guys beemed when the Dutch girls came out to greet them - they are still considered heroes there and very highly regarded.

]]> By: PharmingForDissidence http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-63945 PharmingForDissidence Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:36:11 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-63945 [quote comment="63931"]Quoting Farming for Dissidence: "props for mentioning Bastogne; I have been watching so much Band of Brothers that its giving me f’ing nightmares" Something you might be interested in: My step-Dad is a military historian who lives in Penn. A couple of years ago he went on a "Band of Brothers" trip which started in England and ended with dinner at the Eagles Nest. Pop spent quite a bit of time with Forrest Guth (who's an original member of Easy Company, 101 Airborne, PIR) while on the trip. Forrest's wife was also along for the trip - She told Pop that when it gets cold in the winter Forrest still says when crawling into bed "It's cold tonight honey...but not as cold as I was in Bastogne"[/quote] Actually, that line you refer to is in one of the episodes of Band of Brothers, during an interview clip of said veteran, and I have heard of similar sort of tourist trips that included Eindhoven, Bastogne, and the infamous Eagle's Nest...the story itself fascinates me to no end, as does most things military and war related, but I wonder if that trip like that would take a different sort of toll on a person... [quote comment="63931"]Quoting Farming for Dissidence: “props for mentioning Bastogne; I have been watching so much Band of Brothers that its giving me f’ing nightmares”

Something you might be interested in: My step-Dad is a military historian who lives in Penn. A couple of years ago he went on a “Band of Brothers” trip which started in England and ended with dinner at the Eagles Nest. Pop spent quite a bit of time with Forrest Guth (who’s an original member of Easy Company, 101 Airborne, PIR) while on the trip. Forrest’s wife was also along for the trip - She told Pop that when it gets cold in the winter Forrest still says when crawling into bed “It’s cold tonight honey…but not as cold as I was in Bastogne”[/quote]

Actually, that line you refer to is in one of the episodes of Band of Brothers, during an interview clip of said veteran, and I have heard of similar sort of tourist trips that included Eindhoven, Bastogne, and the infamous Eagle’s Nest…the story itself fascinates me to no end, as does most things military and war related, but I wonder if that trip like that would take a different sort of toll on a person…

]]> By: Tony Shucraft http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-63932 Tony Shucraft Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:06:08 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-63932 [quote comment="63910"][quote comment="63891"]Look at Obama's time before he was in office. He could have had an easy career. He worked to a point in college where very few can say they got to in that respect, and turned down jobs that could have made him rich. Instead he went and helped people. He gave them something that nobody with his credentials would have(in my opinion). If that does not show a unique ability to be a leader, then what does?[/quote] Are you kidding me? Obama has openly admit to doing drugs in college. No "I didn't inhale" bullshit either. He's said he smoked marijuana and done cocaine. I don't know how that's exactly a point where very few can say that got to in college. Hell I got there easy enough. Stop glorifying something which you obviously don't have a clear understanding of. Do I want Obama to be my next President? Yes. Am I going to turn my head at his faults and his shaky economic policies? No. I'm going to embrace them as learning experiences that he's wiser for going through. The USA needs to go back to a conservative foreign policy or maybe even strike the term from the requirements for being a leader. This country has so many glaring problems that it's going to take more than two four year terms to correct. Fix the dependence on oil, fix the illegal immigration problem, fix the obvious taxation loopholes that are driving small business into bankruptcy and elevating corporations to the real leaders of the capitalistic world.[/quote] Yeah I know that, but have you heard McCain speak of his past mistakes? I am not looking at Obama's past and saying he didn't make mistakes but when one looks at McCain talking about his experience in school positively, it makes you wonder if he has learned anything. Especially when he connects that to him being a Maverick in the political sense that he does. If barely being able to pass is something to be used in such a way, I don't think anything can compare. [quote comment="63910"][quote comment="63891"]Look at Obama’s time before he was in office. He could have had an easy career. He worked to a point in college where very few can say they got to in that respect, and turned down jobs that could have made him rich. Instead he went and helped people. He gave them something that nobody with his credentials would have(in my opinion). If that does not show a unique ability to be a leader, then what does?[/quote]

Are you kidding me? Obama has openly admit to doing drugs in college. No “I didn’t inhale” bullshit either. He’s said he smoked marijuana and done cocaine.

I don’t know how that’s exactly a point where very few can say that got to in college. Hell I got there easy enough. Stop glorifying something which you obviously don’t have a clear understanding of.

Do I want Obama to be my next President? Yes. Am I going to turn my head at his faults and his shaky economic policies? No. I’m going to embrace them as learning experiences that he’s wiser for going through.

The USA needs to go back to a conservative foreign policy or maybe even strike the term from the requirements for being a leader. This country has so many glaring problems that it’s going to take more than two four year terms to correct. Fix the dependence on oil, fix the illegal immigration problem, fix the obvious taxation loopholes that are driving small business into bankruptcy and elevating corporations to the real leaders of the capitalistic world.[/quote]
Yeah I know that, but have you heard McCain speak of his past mistakes? I am not looking at Obama’s past and saying he didn’t make mistakes but when one looks at McCain talking about his experience in school positively, it makes you wonder if he has learned anything. Especially when he connects that to him being a Maverick in the political sense that he does. If barely being able to pass is something to be used in such a way, I don’t think anything can compare.

]]> By: Brian Smart http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-63931 Brian Smart Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:58:48 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-63931 Quoting Farming for Dissidence: "props for mentioning Bastogne; I have been watching so much Band of Brothers that its giving me f’ing nightmares" Something you might be interested in: My step-Dad is a military historian who lives in Penn. A couple of years ago he went on a "Band of Brothers" trip which started in England and ended with dinner at the Eagles Nest. Pop spent quite a bit of time with Forrest Guth (who's an original member of Easy Company, 101 Airborne, PIR) while on the trip. Forrest's wife was also along for the trip - She told Pop that when it gets cold in the winter Forrest still says when crawling into bed "It's cold tonight honey...but not as cold as I was in Bastogne" Quoting Farming for Dissidence: “props for mentioning Bastogne; I have been watching so much Band of Brothers that its giving me f’ing nightmares”

Something you might be interested in: My step-Dad is a military historian who lives in Penn. A couple of years ago he went on a “Band of Brothers” trip which started in England and ended with dinner at the Eagles Nest. Pop spent quite a bit of time with Forrest Guth (who’s an original member of Easy Company, 101 Airborne, PIR) while on the trip. Forrest’s wife was also along for the trip - She told Pop that when it gets cold in the winter Forrest still says when crawling into bed “It’s cold tonight honey…but not as cold as I was in Bastogne”

]]> By: KET http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-63930 KET Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:53:22 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-63930 [quote comment="63927"] Remember that during the Vietnam War conscription was in place and many people from all walks of life were dragged into the war, including some with criminal records, however, <b>to label the majority of Vietnam veterans as the "dregs of society" is insulting.</b> That goes doubly for the present members of the US military serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. The US military personnel that I might, and served with, while in the Canadian military were well trained and highly educated. In fact, if you looked at the stats you would probably find that<b> the majority of the US servicemen and women serving overseas are probably better educated than the majority of posters on this board.</b> [/quote] And: hey! Don't refute what you deem to be one generalized, insulting statement with another of your own. [quote comment="63927"]
Remember that during the Vietnam War conscription was in place and many people from all walks of life were dragged into the war, including some with criminal records, however, to label the majority of Vietnam veterans as the “dregs of society” is insulting. That goes doubly for the present members of the US military serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. The US military personnel that I might, and served with, while in the Canadian military were well trained and highly educated. In fact, if you looked at the stats you would probably find that the majority of the US servicemen and women serving overseas are probably better educated than the majority of posters on this board.
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And: hey! Don’t refute what you deem to be one generalized, insulting statement with another of your own.

]]> By: KET http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-63929 KET Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:46:21 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-63929 [quote comment="63927"]BTW, I'm still waiting for the URL for the info you had posted in your article about the number of US personnel involved in criminal activity.[/quote] Um. Comment 6. [quote comment="63927"]BTW, I’m still waiting for the URL for the info you had posted in your article about the number of US personnel involved in criminal activity.[/quote]
Um. Comment 6.

]]> By: PharmingForDissidence http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-63928 PharmingForDissidence Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:45:04 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-63928 props for mentioning Bastogne; I have been watching so much Band of Brothers that its giving me f'ing nightmares...I'm guessing alot of people haven't heard about the epic battle our boys fought in WWI in Passchendaele, Belgium, but apparently the film about it is being debuted at TIFF and comes to theaters sometime in October...lets hope its not as bad as Paul Gross' acting skills. blech. props for mentioning Bastogne; I have been watching so much Band of Brothers that its giving me f’ing nightmares…I’m guessing alot of people haven’t heard about the epic battle our boys fought in WWI in Passchendaele, Belgium, but apparently the film about it is being debuted at TIFF and comes to theaters sometime in October…lets hope its not as bad as Paul Gross’ acting skills. blech.

]]> By: niccolom http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-63927 niccolom Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:38:06 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-63927 "But the truth remains that the dregs of US society did largely fight the Vietnam war, and are also fighting the war in Iraq. " Remember that during the Vietnam War conscription was in place and many people from all walks of life were dragged into the war, including some with criminal records, however, to label the majority of Vietnam veterans as the "dregs of society" is insulting. That goes doubly for the present members of the US military serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. The US military personnel that I might, and served with, while in the Canadian military were well trained and highly educated. In fact, if you looked at the stats you would probably find that the majority of the US servicemen and women serving overseas are probably better educated than the majority of posters on this board. BTW, I'm still waiting for the URL for the info you had posted in your article about the number of US personnel involved in criminal activity. “But the truth remains that the dregs of US society did largely fight the Vietnam war, and are also fighting the war in Iraq. ”

Remember that during the Vietnam War conscription was in place and many people from all walks of life were dragged into the war, including some with criminal records, however, to label the majority of Vietnam veterans as the “dregs of society” is insulting. That goes doubly for the present members of the US military serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. The US military personnel that I might, and served with, while in the Canadian military were well trained and highly educated. In fact, if you looked at the stats you would probably find that the majority of the US servicemen and women serving overseas are probably better educated than the majority of posters on this board.

BTW, I’m still waiting for the URL for the info you had posted in your article about the number of US personnel involved in criminal activity.

]]> By: Matthew Good http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-63926 Matthew Good Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:17:03 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-63926 [quote comment="63922"]How does moose-hunting belong between conservative and fanatic? Isn't her husband like an Eskimo or some such; and they're from Alaska. I think the <i>real</i> most-important point here is that moose are majestic and a nutritional, zero-fat, non-processed staple to a 100-mile, macrobiotic or omnivorous diet.[/quote] You mean he's "Inuit"? And they're from more than Alaska. And it was sarcasm. [quote comment="63922"]How does moose-hunting belong between conservative and fanatic? Isn’t her husband like an Eskimo or some such; and they’re from Alaska.

I think the real most-important point here is that moose are majestic and a nutritional, zero-fat, non-processed staple to a 100-mile, macrobiotic or omnivorous diet.[/quote]

You mean he’s “Inuit”? And they’re from more than Alaska. And it was sarcasm.

]]> By: Blogic http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-63925 Blogic Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:11:46 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-63925 This a very good post. We need strong voices to remind us what a fabulously accomplished mistake the Vietnam war was. Our shared history and common future demands it. I hadn't realized that about the suicides rates of veterans of that war. It is startling. I suppose the war itself was literally a kind of mass suicide for everyone. To truly dispel this illusion - to my understanding - killing or murder does not end the murdered; it is merely an affirmation of suicide by the murderer. This a very good post. We need strong voices to remind us what a fabulously accomplished mistake the Vietnam war was. Our shared history and common future demands it.

I hadn’t realized that about the suicides rates of veterans of that war. It is startling. I suppose the war itself was literally a kind of mass suicide for everyone. To truly dispel this illusion - to my understanding - killing or murder does not end the murdered; it is merely an affirmation of suicide by the murderer.

]]> By: r-r http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-63922 r-r Fri, 05 Sep 2008 14:09:04 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-63922 How does moose-hunting belong between conservative and fanatic? Isn't her husband like an Eskimo or some such; and they're from Alaska. I think the <i>real</i> most-important point here is that moose are majestic and a nutritional, zero-fat, non-processed staple to a 100-mile, macrobiotic or omnivorous diet. How does moose-hunting belong between conservative and fanatic? Isn’t her husband like an Eskimo or some such; and they’re from Alaska.

I think the real most-important point here is that moose are majestic and a nutritional, zero-fat, non-processed staple to a 100-mile, macrobiotic or omnivorous diet.

]]> By: Beautiful101 http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-63919 Beautiful101 Fri, 05 Sep 2008 13:39:19 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-63919 Dear Mr. Good, When the Vietnam vets came home, they were not welcome in their own country. They were looked at sideways, as though criminal. I defy you to find one ticker tape parade for those vets in any major US centre upon their return - unlike the jubilant and triumphant victories and homecomings of both the fist and second world wars. And then there are the injuries, both physical and mental. It's no wonder Vietnam veterans feel so disenfranchised in their own country - they are. On a lighter note, when you look at John McCain, does anyone out there think of Hank Hill's dad, Cotton Hill, who had his shins blown away in the second world war - then later had his feet attached to his knees making him a foot shorter? Sorry - I can't help myself..... Dear Mr. Good,
When the Vietnam vets came home, they were not welcome in their own country. They were looked at sideways, as though criminal. I defy you to find one ticker tape parade for those vets in any major US centre upon their return - unlike the jubilant and triumphant victories and homecomings of both the fist and second world wars. And then there are the injuries, both physical and mental. It’s no wonder Vietnam veterans feel so disenfranchised in their own country - they are.

On a lighter note, when you look at John McCain, does anyone out there think of Hank Hill’s dad, Cotton Hill, who had his shins blown away in the second world war - then later had his feet attached to his knees making him a foot shorter? Sorry - I can’t help myself…..

]]> By: Yossarian http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-63911 Yossarian Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:24:53 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-63911 "Sarah Palin is the Republican Vice Presidential candidate. Her son is due to deploy to Iraq on September 11th (something that was, of course, mentioned in her recent speech)." I can't believe that date was set by accident. That's yet another crass plug for the boogyman. “Sarah Palin is the Republican Vice Presidential candidate. Her son is due to deploy to Iraq on September 11th (something that was, of course, mentioned in her recent speech).”

I can’t believe that date was set by accident. That’s yet another crass plug for the boogyman.

]]> By: NYmike http://www.matthewgood.org/2008/09/political-white-noise/comment-page-1/#comment-63910 NYmike Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:57:55 +0000 http://www.matthewgood.org/?p=3909#comment-63910 [quote comment="63891"]Look at Obama's time before he was in office. He could have had an easy career. He worked to a point in college where very few can say they got to in that respect, and turned down jobs that could have made him rich. Instead he went and helped people. He gave them something that nobody with his credentials would have(in my opinion). If that does not show a unique ability to be a leader, then what does?[/quote] Are you kidding me? Obama has openly admit to doing drugs in college. No "I didn't inhale" bullshit either. He's said he smoked marijuana and done cocaine. I don't know how that's exactly a point where very few can say that got to in college. Hell I got there easy enough. Stop glorifying something which you obviously don't have a clear understanding of. Do I want Obama to be my next President? Yes. Am I going to turn my head at his faults and his shaky economic policies? No. I'm going to embrace them as learning experiences that he's wiser for going through. The USA needs to go back to a conservative foreign policy or maybe even strike the term from the requirements for being a leader. This country has so many glaring problems that it's going to take more than two four year terms to correct. Fix the dependence on oil, fix the illegal immigration problem, fix the obvious taxation loopholes that are driving small business into bankruptcy and elevating corporations to the real leaders of the capitalistic world. [quote comment="63891"]Look at Obama’s time before he was in office. He could have had an easy career. He worked to a point in college where very few can say they got to in that respect, and turned down jobs that could have made him rich. Instead he went and helped people. He gave them something that nobody with his credentials would have(in my opinion). If that does not show a unique ability to be a leader, then what does?[/quote]

Are you kidding me? Obama has openly admit to doing drugs in college. No “I didn’t inhale” bullshit either. He’s said he smoked marijuana and done cocaine.

I don’t know how that’s exactly a point where very few can say that got to in college. Hell I got there easy enough. Stop glorifying something which you obviously don’t have a clear understanding of.

Do I want Obama to be my next President? Yes. Am I going to turn my head at his faults and his shaky economic policies? No. I’m going to embrace them as learning experiences that he’s wiser for going through.

The USA needs to go back to a conservative foreign policy or maybe even strike the term from the requirements for being a leader. This country has so many glaring problems that it’s going to take more than two four year terms to correct. Fix the dependence on oil, fix the illegal immigration problem, fix the obvious taxation loopholes that are driving small business into bankruptcy and elevating corporations to the real leaders of the capitalistic world.

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