At Least He Won’t Have To Lie About Being A Real Author

Space November 20, 2008, Matthew Good

So Joe Wurzelbacher, or Sameul Wurzelbacher, whichever name he’s using this week, has landed a book deal and will be opining on the state of the realm in what is being titled “Joe the Plumber: Fighting for the American Dream”.

The book will contain Wurzelbacher’s thoughts on American values, according to his publisher, which means one of two things: either it will be ten pages in length (including pictures), or someone will ghostwrite it for him, which will probably be the case.

Now – why should anyone in the United States care what Wurzelbacher has to say about ‘American values’? That’s a good question, especially given the fact that he’s not even a licensed plumber, which makes him a liar from the get go. Unless, that is, deceit is an American value. Then I can see it being devoured by the public, even during a recession.

The truth is that it will probably be a best seller simply out of curiosity. Of course, this will land Wurzelbacher in a tax bracket that will well exceed what he would have made owning his own small business, something that I am sure he won’t be addressing in his epic.

Truth be told, I’m not at all surprised that he’s landed a book deal. Unfortunately, as is always the case, a lot of trees are going to pay the price for yet another useless piece of tripe.

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    Jenny in Toronto said 49 days ago:

    A fine example of Living the American Dream… anybody can really do just about anything.

    But I hate to admit, if it’s indeed a pop-up book I’d probably buy it. Me likey pop-ups!

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    ianb said 49 days ago:

    Unreal. I don’t even know what to say. Not even a smart ass remark.
    I’ve got nothing.

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    ianb said 49 days ago:

    Actually I do have something…

    I did read about this story earlier today and Joe claims that he’s not in it to “cash in” on his overnight fame while in the same article he claims that he “is broke” at the moment.
    Joe surely stands to make a few bucks off of this “book” deal and it will be interesting to see whether he truly does cash in or if he stands by his superb morality and does the honorable thing like donating the proceeds to charity. Somehow I think Joe will end up in that new tax bracket.

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    D. Lilly said 49 days ago:

    Here’s how it will go

    Book
    Talk shows
    Book signing tour
    Indictment
    Conviction for failing to pay taxes on book related profits
    Jail
    Religion
    Release from jail into a lucrative TV Evangelist gig

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    MPalazzo said 49 days ago:

    This will not be on my must read list. For some reason this post made me think of Kato Kaelin.

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    KET said 49 days ago:

    I am not surprised, but it still makes me sigh. I had really, really hoped never to hear his name ever again once the election was done (naive, I know). It seems anyone with any minor degree of notoriety can land a book deal or a record deal or a TV show (Ashley Dupré, Spitzer’s gal, wants all three, I read today). But seriously: WHO wants to read that? Even out of curiosity? I understand people wanting to read juicy gossip, which explains a large portion of the news-figure book deals out there, but… some random dude’s take on American values? I can’t think of anything less interesting.

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    vika said 49 days ago:

    @D. Lilly:

    can I add something?

    jail - “confessions of the innocent” by Joe the Plumber - religion - Release from jail into a lucrative TV Evangelist gig

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    Paul Sandhu said 49 days ago:

    Great entry as is always the case.

    In regards to the 10 page comment and calling him a liar:

    Why insult the guy?

    I remember an entry from about a year back where you touched on the value on self education. Is it really any less valuable than formal education? Who decides that, and why is it the case? Those were the questions you asked and answered at length.

    I look at Joe the plumber in much the same way. Its a moot point on whether he is actually licensed. If he is out there working as a plumber at the standard expected from the profession - then by all intensive purposes he is a plumber and should be recognized as one.

    As a left leaning independent who is thoroughly disenchanted with todays partisan party systems and (to quote Jon Stewart) “hackery” in politics and news these days. I’d have to say its really shameful to even have a group which identifies as ‘left leaning’ bring out the issue of Joe’s license status - cannon fodder in my eyes.

    ~Truly bummed that you see it that way.

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    Dory said 49 days ago:

    Picture books are highly underrated. But, arguably, they should have content. And for the most part, that content should be factual. I think I’d take The Very Hungry Caterpillar over Joe the quasi-plumber’s thoughts on American values any day. This is just proof that any schmuck can, and probably will, try to milk their 15 minutes of fame for as long as possible.

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    k said 49 days ago:

    @Dan & MPalazzo- Exactly!

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    satchboogieca said 49 days ago:

    Maybe they could do just a PDF release? Linux Device Drivers Rev2 and 3 are avail via PDF and free if you like.

    Once I get back into that book and once I get employed, I will buy the PDF version for $39.95 from the O’Reilly site.

    Sometimes free with the option to buy actually works, not 100% like the controlled version, but no trees have to die for the PDF, not directly anyway.

    Is anyone on this site actually interested in what this “Joe” has to say?

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    k said 49 days ago:

    Wait…. Dan, after the TV gig, you forgot to mention that he marries Tila Tequila (as a reality special, of course.)

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    satchboogieca said 49 days ago:

    @MPalazzo: “This will not be on my must read list. For some reason this post made me think of Kato Kaelin.”

    Did you see that episode of The Late Show with David Letterman where they did a book from Kato Kalelin? It was SO funny.

    Dave holds up this book with Kato and a map behind him entitled “A Guide to Free Living in LA by Kato Kaelin”

    I laughed so hard. I was at a party, one of the few I attended in Seconday School, and we stopped the party for Dave’s Top 10.

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    k said 49 days ago:

    @satchboogieca- Less then I want an eyeful of Tabasco sauce.

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    Beautiful101 said 49 days ago:

    Dear Mr. Good,
    “As you partake of the world’s bill of fare,
    that’s darned good advice to follow.
    Do a lot of spitting out the hot air.
    And be careful what you swallow.”
    Dr. Seuss

    Perhaps Joe could get Mike Holmes to edit the book…

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    Paul Carson said 49 days ago:

    Perfectly illustrates the problem I have with the way “celebrity” status is imposed on some people these days. They become well-known, famous, whatever, and then someone exploits that fame by getting them to do something to make them a bunch of money.

    What happened to the old days when people were known for their talents and skills?

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    Jane Smith said 49 days ago:

    I’m sure I read on the BBC World News that this guy has deliberately chosen a small publisher so he could help ’spread the wealth’. That’s real noble of him. I call it ’selling out’. Sad thing is, it’ll probably fly off the shelves ’til the next new fad, when it will be propping of the shelves of a hundred remaindered book stores…

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    vika said 49 days ago:

    To be serious, I wish people would boycott all of these books written by people some of whom already made money by being in the administration and are now “coming clean” exposing all the secrets when they took no action when it was needed. All the generals and all the kings men. Everyone is writing something. My time in such and such… My opinion on this and that… Such a waste of paper, poor trees. There are better books to be read and enjoyed instead of putting money into a swelling pension fund of some of these people. If you want the truth, you have to look for documents. Unless a book comes out where our modern figures write about how they came to think the way they do (this is what people wrote about earlier), it is a shame to own.

    disclaimer: I don’t know if this is me or my headache talking

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    11907281 said 49 days ago:

    I think I remember him being asked about running for office in 2010, he didn’t say yes but he talked about changing the way government does things and it sounded really like a politicians way of saying yes. There was also the rumored country album, it Paris can do it what can’t “ol’joe” get his auto tune on too?

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    11907281 said 49 days ago:

    I think I remember him being asked about running for office in 2010, he didn’t say yes but he talked about changing the way government does things and it sounded really like a politicians way of saying yes. There was also the rumored country album, if Paris can do it what can’t “ol’joe” get his auto tune on too?

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    pitt said 49 days ago:

    Dan you left out appearances on Surreal life and Dancing with the Stars.

    I’m going to shit into two pieces of card board and sell it, I swear to God.

    PS: Went and saw chris cornell last night. He can hang out in the studio with Timberland all he wants. The Badmotor Finger content was in full effect last night!

    Keep the faith!

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    benditshapeitmoldit said 49 days ago:

    Disposable income is disappearing, so unless it comes out in toilet paper form, it wont sell.

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    vika said 49 days ago:

    @benditshapeitmoldit:

    Oh that takes me back… can’t type, too hysterical. You can use anything for toilet paper, my friend. I recently had a talk with my father, he is planning to give classes. It is a smooth transition: soft toilet paper (while you still have savings)- on to cheap toilet paper - news paper (you get all important lead) is easy - then anything else.

    Of course that pointy castle does present a problem, so Mr. Wurzelbacher would be better of with just a picture book.

    Feel free to thank me later :)

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    mad said 49 days ago:

    The First Amendment guarantees all US citizens freedom of speech – and that includes any of the garbage that Joe the Plumber wants to share with the world.

    I bet you more Americans would rather buy his book than buy Donald Trump’s next make-rich tome. Better to see the “little guy” make money for a change. It’s a great example of U.S. capitalism at its best. Got an idea, make a buck.

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    Matthew Good said 49 days ago:

    @Paul Sandhu: Were that the case then if I studied medicine, and could perform surgeries, then I could call myself a doctor. But that is not the case, and the same applies to the trades. You cannot call yourself a plumber without a ticket, as there are both bonding issues and safety issues involved. Initiative has nothing to do with it.

    As for the book - are you serious? Let the guy start a blog, fine. But publishing a book about his ideas on American values because he asked a question of Obama that was then catapulted into the mainstream by the McCain camp? That’s opportunism, and it’s the only reason why anyone is interested in even giving him a deal.

    The truth is, he’s not a member of the Union, they came out and said that immediately. Second, he called himself a plumber when he has no official training or certificate. That makes him a liar. It’s rather simple.

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    pitt said 49 days ago:

    It’s true, plumbers take great pride in their licenses, and issue with those who cut in on the market without proper compliance.

    otherwise you’re just working with drains, or a mascot for nintendo.

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    vika said 49 days ago:

    Yes, but if you are a certified plumber or a certified physician, that does not automatically mean that you will do a good job. But it does mean (now I am speaking for physicians only) that your a** is better covered by the union.

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    satchboogieca said 49 days ago:

    @PITT and Matt:
    It is the same as Engineer. I cannot call myself an Engineer until I am licensed by the PEO. But I can do engineering work all I want, it just has to be approved by an Engineer with his PEng status.

    Same for any skilled trades. You can’t call yourself something but you can do the same work, just have it inspected by a licensed trade person. It is sometimes cheaper to go that route. Just make sure you get anything you do approved or your insurance won’t cover it. Even if all you did was put in an electrical receptacle and lightning strikes your home, they’ll try to blame that on you.

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    pitt said 49 days ago:

    I can’t speak to that of engineers.

    But yeah, compliance is all about meeting a standard, and being covered in the event of errors and omissions.

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    Duane Storey said 49 days ago:

    Well, most engineers don’t have a P.Eng. I think the practice is rather silly myself. The test they ask you take to become a P.Eng. is nothing more than a multiple choice ethics test. The test costs $1000s of dollars, and they always fail 33% of the class, regardless of their score (the bottom standard deviation based on the stats). Of course, to keep your P.Eng. in place you need to pay APEG yearly fees. A P.Eng. is pretty much useless in most fields, although in construction and civil fields a P.Eng. is still required to stamp all drawings and calculations. I debated getting one once, but it’s just a waste of money in my field, and I could care less about having the letters after my name.

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    Chris W said 49 days ago:

    @ satchboogieca:
    Actually, I’m pretty sure you can call yourself an engineer, even if you don’t have your PEng designation yet, as can I. We’re simply graduate engineers as opposed to professional engineers, and therefore have legal limits on what we can do in our field. Same thing with Joe W. He is a plumber, he’s just not a licenced plumber.

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    Duane Storey said 49 days ago:

    @Chris - Nope, satchboogieca is right. In Canada it’s misrepresentation if you call yourself an engineer and do not have a P.Eng. In Ontario I was forced to say I worked in “Manufacturing Engineering” as opposed to say I was a Manufacturing Engineer.

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    pitt said 49 days ago:

    I’m not sure it’s the same with plumbers. I asked a few plumbers that I know about this and they take the designation pretty seriously.

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    Paul Sandhu said 49 days ago:

    @Matthew Good:

    While I completely agree with you regarding the issue of the book - it is opportunistic, unnecessary, and doubtlessly will be hollow. I still am not willing to cede that his credentials need to be called into question as a means to nail him to the wall. I have no desire to enter into a discussion on the semantics of the issue, instead i’ll point to a snippet of text that posted earlier and try to elaborate.

    “If he is out there working as a plumber at the standard expected from the profession - then by all intensive purposes he is a plumber and should be recognized as one.”

    My argument hinges upon the phrase: “… at the standard expected from the profession.”

    Licensing is a complex issue, reducing it to doctors and engineers I don’t feel does it proper service; being that it is as much about protecting the market-share of the professionals as it is about ensuring standards. If not more about the market-share in certain instances.

    Whether he’s licensed or not, to me it is moot. Aside from that, everyone lies. I’ve done it and I’m sure I will in the future. To me what matters is what’s at stake when you lie. I.e. A president (intentionally lowercase), secretary of state et al. in regards to WMDs. Or Joe the - not quite - plumber

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    vika said 49 days ago:

    @Duane Storey:

    Canada is much worse than the states. It is my understanding that the unions and all the societies that you have to join are very strict and protective of their status and of their members’ privileges. Socialism, you know. Duane, nice story…

    In the states you are just an unlicensed (insert title here). And you know what, I agree with Paul Sandhu, licensing is much more about protecting the share in the market than anything else. I think standards come in a distant second.

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    imagewrangler said 49 days ago:

    @Paul Sandhu

    I’m guessing you’re just an apologist for Joe or something as you’re acting like, well, a Republican, you know, there’s a point made but you gloss over it for something trite and missing the mark?

    Joe the Plumber as you put it is being “opportunistic,” yes, he was, all along, by stating that he’s a plumber, which, he isn’t. So his opportunism is based on a lie, I’m sure though you’re not following along to the logic of this but, let’s put it another way, let’s say you lie on a resume, is that okay? Everyone does it? So Paul Sandhu gets hired due to a lie? Or say you lie to get a raise, a promotion, get time off for being “sick,” this is moralistically okay? And the right in the US (which will always mean “wrong”) jumps on the left for their supposed lies, that’s okay that the right jumps on them for their lies, right? Or is it okay if the left lies? Or the right lies? So just for clarification, Joe’s lie is okay in your book, his lie that is going to make him money, that’s the crux of this, that’s what you’re saying is okay to lie? If so, wow dude, wow! Ballsy!

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    pismo said 49 days ago:

    Joe the Plumber’s book will probably be as insightful as a book my father had when I was a child, “The Wit and Wisdom of Spiro T. Agnew.” It was blank.

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    Paul Sandhu said 49 days ago:

    @imagewrangler:

    First off, you should take your own advice rather than gloss over what I’ve written. And secondly, put some critical thought into your response.

    In regards to your hypothetical, its just that. A hypothetical - one that presumes to make a slew of moral judgements.

    I’ll address it none the less:

    In the text of my writing I never once said it was morally “okay” to lie. I’d hope that validates my not responding to questions posed on that assumption.

    Again for me what matters in regards to lies it what’s at stake. A lie from an elected official who is bound to represent the truth to his constituents and administer government on their behalf - the whole idea of “power to” government, from the people. And a lie from Joe the plumber on his resume are totally different things (keep in mind I/we are making assumptions in regards to how he represented himself, and if these change then so to would our arguments).

    In regards to the issue of morality. I think that white lies are up to the individual. If Joe is okay with telling that lie then he will, if he isn’t then he won’t. Besides, the society in which we live already does hold these lies to account. When we make small lies like “I’m sick” when we really aren’t we know we are doing something we ought not do, but more importantly we know that if we get caught we will be held accountable. Is that not enough??

    I could go on at length and address the flaws of basing judgement on morals, but there is plenty of reading out there and I’d wager Matt has already written in regards to this. His previous entries along the lines of “we live in a society that perpetuates its own myth” and the ones on the violent history of Christendom should about cover that base.

    My point is simply this:
    Joe’s lie is insignificant compared to the others floating around out there. The ‘left’ was simply out to get him.

    Lastly, imagewrangler - I had a feeling that your entry was a knee jerk response as soon as I saw you started labeling me and using charged phrases…sigh. Know that I’ve written this I’ve lost the vigor that I started the entry with and see just how pointless it is to try and reason with some.

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    11907281 said 49 days ago:

    “but more importantly we know that if we get caught we will be held accountable. Is that not enough??” - Paul

    When does he become accountable, and to whom is he accountable?
    He lied about so many things while trying to make Obama look and then became a campaign surrogate …. what if he convinced enough people with his lies that the election went the other way? Do you think any of the misinformation was cleaned up by right leaning sources, you know the ones with the largest base audiences in the US? If he didn’t jump on the soapbox and try to effect the election most would have thought him part of the echo chamber that “takes pride in being ignorant”, but he wanted to juice it for every last drop.

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    gunka said 49 days ago:

    I have to agree. This Joe the plumber thing went on way to long. But really, talk about the right place and the right time. He will no doubt make millions with the book but what about the country album he was coming out with? I would like to play guitar for that tour.

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    satchboogieca said 49 days ago:

    @Duane:

    I agree, for software, unless you work under critical systems design, like aeronautics or medical software, or unless you’re a EE in high power or even PLC controls, basically, something that involves human safety, you don’t need a PEng.

    I just want one for me. I have not registered because… I only had one guy at PMC-Sierra who was a PEng in our group and I only worked with him about 8 months. So that does not help much, and I left, so that really does not help much.

    The PEng does not give me a free coffee. What it does is make me legally responsible. As a PEng if I drive over a bridge that is unsafe, I MUST report it. If someone asks me wiring advice and I give it to them and they die, I am liable. Regardless of whether it is in my field or not. So as an unlicensed engineer, I am not liable, but I still advise people to follow proper channels. Get your stuff approved!

    If ANY of you do home wiring, be sure you have the electrical code with you. The full code is not relevant, go to Home Depot or something equiv and get the simplified version for the home. Better safe than injured or dead.

    I am learning Java and C for TCP/IP with Linux and soon Java scripts. Maybe some web stuff if the second interview today pans out (Perl/jRuby and such). But none of it requires a PEng because none of it has to do with risking human life.

    That’s why the PEng exists. If something goes wrong they need someone to sue. And yeah, it costs a lot to write some ethics test and it costs a few hundred (I don’t know the exact number) a year in annual fees to keep licensed. If you don’t need it, why have it?

    I am an IEEE member, I like some of the articles, so I pay the $180/yr for it. My mom gets the Spectrum mag and reads it, I read it online sometimes. But I degress…

    What matters is if you do the work, have it reviewed by someone if it has anything to do with human life (plumbing, construction, wiring, high voltage, motor controls, medical equipment, aviation equipment etc…) that is certified. They will be more cautious than you because their ass is on the line, legally.

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    Duane Storey said 49 days ago:

    I’ve worked for P.Eng’s that were more interested in making their tee time than they were in the accuracy of their drawings.. They basically have boat loads of professional liability insurance in case something goes wrong. Just because you have a P.Eng. doesn’t make you a good engineer. I think it’s far more valuable to go through the iron ring ceremony and uphold the ethics behind the profession.

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    satchboogieca said 49 days ago:

    That’s how I view it too! I also hate the arrogant engineers that ruin the image for others. I am NOT arrogant, often too humble. But I love to educate and learn.

    I’ve met a few engineers myself that needed a good bitch-slap. And I’ve met some non-engineers that showed such ethic they deserve the PEng and what it is supposed to stand for.

    I hold my ring deep in my heart! I was choked up at the ceremony. No tears but I was feeling misty. I almost never take the ring off, except for making chapati because I don’t want that crap stuck to My Precious!

    I pushed other classmates to be more like that, ethics as #1 and honouring the ring and what it means, but many were just in it for the job, something to do. I have to respect them, but I don’t envy them.

    OK I won’t talk about this anymore, way off topic. Plus I need to get back to Linux TCP/IP.

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    Brian Smart said 49 days ago:

    Paul Sandu: I guess the problem that I have with Joe is not that he lied, but that he lied to put himself in a fictional position to tell somebody else they were full of shit. I’m a plumber and your policy is going to hurt me and my aspirations to be a successful plumber. He could have just taken exception to the policy without the bullshit preamble and I would have been OK with it; I would not have agreed with his position but you can’t pose as something you are not to give creedence to your argument and then not excpect to get called on your bullshit.

    Anyway, I don’t buy his bullshit, couldn’t care less about Joe and have a whole lot more books I will be looking at for Christmas before his…if I can just be a good boy for another 5 weeks.

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    jenn said 49 days ago:

    Plumber or not…this guy’s written a book that many will buy and maybe even read:-) I personally have no desire to read his book and so I will not buy it. But truth be told, alot of people: celebrities and joe blows alike, have written alot of shit that some people like… I love book stores and so I find myself in them often and I’m amazed at the crap that’s available! I look at it all and think, man oh man, if I wrote my life story I could have a best seller for sure! LOL Because surely if Joe the Plumber [or not] can write a book ~ I can too! Isn’t that the bigger picture here? In fact, isn’t that what transpired via President Elect Obama on that magical day??? If you can dream it ~ you can do it! :-)

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    Baumung said 49 days ago:

    Matt, I agree with what you said about the trees. Why do I get the feeling that humanity will not be around a couple hundred years from now. Wait a second! It’s because we’re so ignorant!! What’s it going to take to get a vegan, pot smoking hippie to start calling the shots? Create a revolution man! Go buy some freakin hemp and wear it!! Discard the modern definition of Democracy, which has been passed down by industrialists and their frontier economic ideals!!! Create a new Democracy that thrives not on categorization!!! Hit the fucking rewind button, and tape over the program, and record a new one!!!! And for those of us who say it can’t be done, go dig yourself a hole, hop in, and have someone fill it for you. Update your Facebook status, but in a way that sends a message for change. Paint a peace sign on the hood of your 50, 000 dollar BMW. Go get a penis implant to make up for the huge truck you just sold for the sake of helping the environment. Take the chip out of your credit card and flush it down the toilet and let the credit card company know you did it. If you think an ET is talking to you, talk back to it! If you’re a guy and you see another guy with a nice ass, enjoy it! As the owner of the website stated in a song he wrote a few years ago: “Can’t fear fear, fear is the mind killer” and “The pink pills are for your sanity”…well, the ones who understand are the ones who wake up every day wondering why in the hell they were born into this mess in the first place. They are the ones who know how to fix the problem, but do not have the proper support to do so. They are the ones who live one life, but want so badly to live another. They are the ones who’s spirit is strong, but body is weak because the pink pill was supposed to help. It is our spirit that creates change through whatever means. We were all born innocent and every individuals spirit is built on that foundation. Do not ignore it because as soon as you do, that hole you made for yourself becomes a home for the rest of us.

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    Chadman said 49 days ago:

    No one will care. By the time his pamphlet hits the stores he will be a forgotten figure from losing campaign. Besides, we’ll all be too busy sneaking over the border into Canada to find jobs.

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    Chris W said 49 days ago:

    @ satchboogieca: I feel the same way about my ring : )

    @ Duane: Thanks for the info, I’ll take your word for it.

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    Robert R said 49 days ago:

    I dunno; I feel a prediction coming on: this book, on sale at the dollar stores coast to coast for a buck and a half. Who cares!? This was no Republican plant. This was a guy out on his front lawn, playing catch football with his kids. This “encounter” was not planned. It was 100% luck that gave this guy his 15 minutes of Warholian fame. I don’t blame him for looking for a payday; but Id guess the book company is going to lose their shorts. God bless America. What a country!

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    Ivan K said 48 days ago:

    Trees will die and we’ll start to cough. Hope we won’t choke.
    Also hope Joe’s book sells as well as Kim Campbell’s. Maybe it will be as per Chadman’s comment (the losing campaign). I hope it will be because people won’t buy his (or his ghost-writer’s) arguments.
    I like Baumung’s post. But I reckon s/he’s not just upping hope; s/he’s saying action.

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    pitt said 48 days ago:

    @ Vika: “Canada is much worse than the states. It is my understanding that the unions and all the societies that you have to join are very strict and protective of their status and of their members’ privileges. Socialism, you know. Duane, nice story…”

    Yeah, because all that self-regulation really did wonders for the States’ financial institution.

    How’s Canada’s banks doing right now, how many are looking at folding? And our inflation rate? 3.5% up from 2.4% in the summer. Paltry compared to the States.

    Canada is not a socialism due to this, it’s a moderate free enterprise.

    There’s a big difference between compliance, which is to protect the consumer, and socialism. Didn’t matt do a post on the definition of this earlier?

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    ianb said 48 days ago:

    Ok, honestly who gives a shit about Joe the plumber? Honestly.
    This is the 52nd comment on this thread about some guy who may or may not be a plumber. Who fucking cares?

    There are obviously a few intelligent individuals who have contributed to the comments on this thread and it’s rather sad that their intellect was wasted debating something so unimportant.

    Seriously, who fucking cares?

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    ianb said 48 days ago:

    Matt, you’ve deleted posts before that have drawn undue attention to issues that don’t really matter. Is this one of those instances?
    I suppose if it is I won’t be reading a response to this inquiry.

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    Salros said 48 days ago:

    Good News! The economy is in the tank which means, Joe/Sam will never see paper. We probably will see an ebook but many book publishers will be out of business in 6 months.

    In six months, so much of what we spend our time will seem trivial to the problems we will be facing.

    Joe/Sam will become a trivia answer in future political discussions, nothing more.

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    pitt said 48 days ago:

    That time of the month Ian?

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    KET said 48 days ago:

    @pitt: Since we’re veering OT… when are you going to get yerself your very own blog like a big boy? You realize you have way too many opinions to restrict yourself to commenting on others’ blogs, right? You’ll have a forum to express yourself, we’ll be amused and/or enlightened… it’s win-win, dude.

    (I’m desperately jealous that you saw Chris Cornell.)

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    J said 48 days ago:

    @pitt:

    LOL

    Is this Ian’s blog? Ian, care to explain?

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    ianb said 48 days ago:

    @ pitt

    Ya, it’s that time of the month. That’s exactly why I think talking about Joe the plumber is an excercise in futility, it’s because I have pms.

    In all seriousness, don’t you think there are more pressing issues to concern ourselves with?

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    ianb said 48 days ago:

    Care to explain what?

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    J said 48 days ago:

    Why it’s is you have such pms over the content of someone’s personal blog?

    Create your own dude. Then you could have all the relative news directed from true intellect you want and need.

    It’s not my place to say what you can and can’t piss on, just don’t understand the effort to something you don’t care about?

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    Brian Smart said 48 days ago:

    That was exactly my point - who fucking cares and lots of other things to read and discuss. What’s important to you might not be important to the next guy (or girl)…plus everybody just needs a break from the serious every now and then!

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    pitt said 48 days ago:

    I didn’t voice an opinion.

    Something appears to be vexing Ian (an observation), and then I asked a question.

    If that wasn’t the reason then I had other questions: Piss in the cornflakes, is dating one of my exes. etc. There’s a lot of possibilities.

    Believe it or not, I’m actually tracking the discourse about compliance with respect to various industries very closely. Engineers, drainwork, financial planners, law, medical etc.

    I’m not shitting you man, i find it interesting. I also prefer Baseball to football; boxing to mma; betty to veronica; Dry chardonnays to Rieslings; So I guess it’s about acquired taste in this case.

    Fun Fact, ket, i had a blog once. Two or three actually. it started to feel like work…..

    OH and nobody read them because i have nothing of consequence to say.

    oh and no industry standards….like joe the non-plumber!

    SEE WHAT I JUST DID THERE?!! I BROUGHT IT BACK!!!

    *i should get my own blog.

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    KET said 48 days ago:

    @pitt: Nicely done, bringing it back on topic… kudos.

    (My comment wasn’t in response to your comment here, it’s something I’ve been meaning to bug you about before, but FB wouldn’t let me send you a message because it hates me.)

    Recommence on-topic-ness.

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    ianb said 48 days ago:

    Whoa! Maybe I was taken a little out of context so allow me to clarify…

    @J: I haven’t any pms over the content of this blog or any other for that matter. I was more trying to re enforce Matt’s point in the last paragraph of this entry that this book deal is nothing but tripe and it’s amazing that so many people are giving it so much attention. Sorry if you got the impression that I’m trying to be the bad guy here man, cause I’m not.
    This blog has some of the best content on the web, the last thing I’m trying to do is knock it’s content.

    @ pitt: No, nothing vexing me at all. The comment I made about “who fucking cares” was made simply because as mentioned above, it astounds me that this guy from Ohio is actually getting this much attention (not just on this site) while there are so many more pressing issues to talk about.
    The comment regarding Matt deleting posts was not me asking him to ammend the content of his blog - rather, an observation that in the past he has removed posts that are really of no consequence, of tripe as he puts it.

    As for me having my own blog, I’ve also had a handful, three if I remember correctly. All since deleted because like you, I usually have nothing of any consequence to say. It did become a lot like work also, I’m with you on that one.

    Anyways, hope that helps clarify.

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    mad said 48 days ago:

    While the cat’s away, the mice play.
    Isn’t exchanging emails more approriate in these instances?

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    J said 48 days ago:

    @ianb:

    I agree. Cheers!

    No Cheers for Joe the fictional Plumber!

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    polarbear said 48 days ago:

    @ianb

    If it’s any comfort, I knew were you were coming from in your first response.

    My PMS will officially start next week. It’s the PITTS, huh ? :)

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    pitt said 48 days ago:

    HAHAHAHAHAHHA!

    I GET IT!!! I GET IT, polarbear meant “pits” but said “pitts”!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

    nice handle Jerry Seinfeld, but your cover’s blown!

    “Gotcha” journalism hard at work again!

    but on a serious note:

    polarbear is an ian sympathizer get him!!!!

    threads go on tangents. it’s a phenomenon of this type of online activity. and it is friday…

    ian, ball busting aside, societies have a long time of propping up trades people into idolesque postions. I think it has to do with relating.

    Joe The Plumber=Mario and Luigie - The Plumbers=Jesus the Carpenter=Dog the Bounty Hunter=Oprah the Devourer of Galaxies

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    vika said 48 days ago:

    @pitt:

    I am sorry, I will pour hot wax on my fingers every time I try to insert irony into a written statement again.

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    ianb said 48 days ago:

    That was actually kind of funny Pitt.

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    pitt said 48 days ago:

    i’m trying to cheer you up muffin.

    Vika get on that. And it was a typed statement not written.

    *i can insert irony with hyperbole AND sarcasm into a statement. Beat that with your pussy literary devices, bitch!

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    PharmingForDissidence said 48 days ago:

    wow pitt you’re on a roll buddy!

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    pitt said 48 days ago:

    slow day on the markets…

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    vika said 48 days ago:

    coming in a bit late but, you will insert irony, hyperbole and sarcasm WITHOUT using any literary devices? I want to see that statement, tomcat.

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